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Forums - Gaming - If you think WiiU is still 7th gen, wouldn't that make the PS4 7th gen?

 

What Do you think?

Yup, by this logic your right 57 26.89%
 
No!! The PS4 isnt in 7th gen 92 43.40%
 
lets just start going by reasonable logic. 63 29.72%
 
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DucksUnlimited said:
Zero999 said:
DucksUnlimited said:
First of all, the Wii U is absolutely an 8th gen console. That being said, the PS2 was significantly more powerful than any of the 5th gen consoles, whereas the Wii U isn't much more powerful than the PS360. So in that sense your argument is flawed.

Still, power is irrelevant to generation.

we don't know exactly how much more powerfull than ps360 the wii u is. but we can say for sure the difference is from moderate to high.

How can we "say for sure" what the difference is when you yourself just said nobody knows how much more powerful it is? I also like how you're trying to tell me my subjective terminology is incorrect, and then introduce your own subjective terminology.

 

The point is, most Wii U games so far look equal to or, in some cases, even worse than PS360 games. Of course it's the beginning of the console's lifecycle, and by the end of the Wii U's life it will have produced several games that are notably better looking than anything on the 7th gen consoles. But Look at the PS2's launch lineup. There was nothing on the previous gen's consoles that compared to something like Tekken Tag , Dynasty Warriors 2 or Midnight Club, from a graphical standpoint. All signs point to the difference between the PS2 and the 5th gen as being a much bigger leap than the Wii U from the PS360. That's the whole point.

because of what we've seen so far. games that aren't even close to using wii u's full power already running at 720p/1080p and 60fps. if at it's minimum wii u already shows a nice difference from the ps360 then we can say for sure it's a good distance, even though we can't say EXACTLY how big because we don't know the exact specs. add the modern developing tools (dx 11 equivalent, shader models...) wich the ps360 don't have and we have a machine with the same technologies for development that ps4/xone has, only with less raw power but nothing really big.

p.s. most wii u games so far are ps360 ports or low budget non graphically intensive games. of course you won't see much of a difference. the same happened with x360 wich got nicknamed as xbox 1.5. remember that?



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anthony64641 said:


I was just wondering after reading over the internet, people still say the WiiU is 7th generation. But from I see and with there logic wouldn't that make the upcoming PS4 7th generation?

Ok let my break it down, from what I understand the WiiU is a 7th generation console [with ps3/xbox360] because of the Nintendo Wii being a whole generation behide. So the Wii was consider a gen behide because it wasnt graphicly on par to the ps3/xbox 360, that makes it the less powerful console, and which [by fanboy logic] makes it a generation behide...Why would you consider a new console release by a company in the same generation as the previous one? doesn't make since but lets get back on subject.

So By this logic I come to the conclusion that the ps4 will also be 7th generation. because..

Well to start I could do back the the PS1 and Nintendo 64 era but the reduce confusion lets just start at ps2 era.
Out of the PS2,Gamecube, and Xbox. The PS2 was obviously consider the less power console. which by [fanboy logic] makes it a generation behind. So instead of being in 6th generation its in 5th gen, which makes the PS3 in 6th generation and now the upcoming PS4 in the 7th generation category.Like this. (only including Sony/micosoft/Nintendo)

5th Generation:PS1 ,PS2

6th Generation: Xbox,Gamecube,Wii,Ps3

7th Generation: Xbox 360, WiiU, PS4.

Make since? not really? well thats because its behide a completely bised logic! Lets just agree to stop with the fanboyistic logic and go by the fact that a console release after the previous one is the next generation line of consoles. So by time. if a new console comes out, what ever generation is currently going on it fits in there. I guess if you consider the ouya a gaming console, yes its in 8 generation.

So yea, I could have done more research but if theres something im missing. tell me. :D

Everybody knows that the wii U is "8th gen", what people mean when they call it 7th gen is that it matches on paper the specifications of the 7th gen machines. The ps2 in the other hand was way ahead of the ps1 and n64. The weakest of its gen specs wise, but a generational leap ahead of the previous gen. The wii u is not regarded as being 7th gen because it is weak, but because it is as strong as a gen 7th machine.



chapset said:
Hynad said:
Hum... no.

Your logic comprehension fails.

People don't really say the Wii U isn't a 8th gen console. They're saying it is a 7th gen console from a graphics and horse pwoer perspective. The PS2 was by the mean a 5th gen console when it comes to its power. It offered quite a huge leap forward. In fact, when it came out, it was more powerful than PCs for a short while.

Now, the Wii U offers roughly the same graphical/technical fidelity as the 7th gen HD twins. Yes, it is most likely slightly more powerful. But it's not the leap we get from one gen to an other since the beginning of the game consoles history. Definitely not the leap we got from PS1 to PS2, PS2 to PS3, or PS3 to PS4.

This guy makes sense here a free cake

How are you going to reward the man with a half eaten cake. What kind of crap is this.  Did you eat  that big slice? Is it like a tax? Seems kinda crumy to me.



WiiU is 8th gen. Compared to PS4 and Xbox One, the WiiU is clearlly the less powerfull console, but it is still a 8th gen console.



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

More Sony fan logic...

LOL 7th gen consoles had 512mb of RAM. Does Wii U? SO having 4 times the RAM is meaningless? SO PS4 having 4 times more RAM than Wii U is also meaningless and puts them in the same generation. See what happens when you let ignorance and bias make choices for you, you just trashed your own favorite console and are coming up with reasons it isn't an 8th generation console. Great job Sony fans but I expect nothing less from you guys than bias BS.
I remember when clock speed was used as an example of why Wii U was inferior and not next gen.. Whats the clock cycle of PS4 again? Yeah lower than that of PS3 so its not next gen.
I also recall the point that because the same games were on last gen consoles Wii U wasn't next gen. Now that we apply that same logic to PS4, we see it isn't next gen either.
Some people really don't use any common sense when thinking their BS up. Power wise PS2 was the same gen as PS1 and PS1 is now a SNes era console using your own logic. Oh and PS4 is now a 7th generation console. Its too inferior to PC to even be considered next gen.

I love how PS3 was so advanced and ahead of its time but another company could have easily released a superior console that beat it in every way. Oh and 3 years before the same type of CPU/GPU combos were even being made. Claiming a company could release tech before its even invented or it isn't next gen is just laughable.
Also kids PS2 was the weakest console of its generation. RE4 proved that.
8gb of DDR5 = last gen especially when I have 5 of it in my PC along with 16 more. PS4 is as inferior to my PC as Wii U is to PS4 so another fact proving PS4 isn't next gen.. Thanks for making your own console look bad and proving its not next gen with inferior specs, late PC ports, and games on last gen consoles.



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"ps3-sales! 1 hour ago




"Gamecube more powerful than the Ps2"

Stopped reading."
RE4 received graphical cutbacks just to be able to run on PS2.
You don't dumb down a game to run on a more powerful console.
Besides 233mhz Is less than 450mhz and 800 MHz so its a simple FACT PS2 was weakest console of its generation. Anyone trying to argue a fact really should rethink their life because its really sad you want to rewrite history in order to justify a stance with no bearing. Strongest console never has and never will win. History has proven it time and time again.



Zero999 said:
DucksUnlimited said:
Zero999 said:
DucksUnlimited said:
First of all, the Wii U is absolutely an 8th gen console. That being said, the PS2 was significantly more powerful than any of the 5th gen consoles, whereas the Wii U isn't much more powerful than the PS360. So in that sense your argument is flawed.

Still, power is irrelevant to generation.

we don't know exactly how much more powerfull than ps360 the wii u is. but we can say for sure the difference is from moderate to high.

How can we "say for sure" what the difference is when you yourself just said nobody knows how much more powerful it is? I also like how you're trying to tell me my subjective terminology is incorrect, and then introduce your own subjective terminology.

 

The point is, most Wii U games so far look equal to or, in some cases, even worse than PS360 games. Of course it's the beginning of the console's lifecycle, and by the end of the Wii U's life it will have produced several games that are notably better looking than anything on the 7th gen consoles. But Look at the PS2's launch lineup. There was nothing on the previous gen's consoles that compared to something like Tekken Tag , Dynasty Warriors 2 or Midnight Club, from a graphical standpoint. All signs point to the difference between the PS2 and the 5th gen as being a much bigger leap than the Wii U from the PS360. That's the whole point.

because of what we've seen so far. games that aren't even close to using wii u's full power already running at 720p/1080p and 60fps. if at it's minimum wii u already shows a nice difference from the ps360 then we can say for sure it's a good distance, even though we can't say EXACTLY how big because we don't know the exact specs. add the modern developing tools (dx 11 equivalent, shader models...) wich the ps360 don't have and we have a machine with the same technologies for development that ps4/xone has, only with less raw power but nothing really big.

p.s. most wii u games so far are ps360 ports or low budget non graphically intensive games. of course you won't see much of a difference. the same happened with x360 wich got nicknamed as xbox 1.5. remember that?

There were launch games on PS360 running at 1080p 60fps. If the Wii U already showed a nice difference then people wouldn't be having this conversation.

 

I love how you're making this huge deal out of the difference between the Wii U - PS360 but you say that the differences between it and the Xbone and PS4 are nothing big. Looking at RAM alone, Sony and MS's new consoles have 4 times as much, which is the same amount Wii U has over PS360. Estimations put the PS4 GPU at around 4-5 times as capable (in terms of FLOPS at least) as the Wii U's which is seemingly bigger than the difference between the Wii U and PS360.

Anyway, you're completely changing topic from the initial post. Either demonstrate that the PS2 was a smaller leap than the Wii U from their previous gens, respectively, or give it a rest.



ps3-sales! said:
"Gamecube more powerful than the Ps2"

Stopped reading.

But it was.



chapset said:
Hynad said:
Hum... no.

Your logic comprehension fails.

People don't really say the Wii U isn't a 8th gen console. They're saying it is a 7th gen console from a graphics and horse pwoer perspective. The PS2 was by the mean a 5th gen console when it comes to its power. It offered quite a huge leap forward. In fact, when it came out, it was more powerful than PCs for a short while.

Now, the Wii U offers roughly the same graphical/technical fidelity as the 7th gen HD twins. Yes, it is most likely slightly more powerful. But it's not the leap we get from one gen to an other since the beginning of the game consoles history. Definitely not the leap we got from PS1 to PS2, PS2 to PS3, or PS3 to PS4.

This guy makes sense here a free cake


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Wii U/PS4/X1/Ouya/etc. - all of them are 8th gen, but that doesn't mean they have comparable technical capabilities, that's why when people talks about next generation, they mean PS4 and X1, Wii U is far behind.
Because of that many people reasonably don't consider Wii U as a next-gen console, why are nintendo fans so mad about this?



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