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Forums - Gaming - If you think WiiU is still 7th gen, wouldn't that make the PS4 7th gen?

 

What Do you think?

Yup, by this logic your right 57 26.89%
 
No!! The PS4 isnt in 7th gen 92 43.40%
 
lets just start going by reasonable logic. 63 29.72%
 
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BossPuma on 08 July 2013
Deyon said:
BossPuma said:

generations are not based on graphics or power. its chronology, the Wii was 7th gen and the Wii U is 8th gen.

I base it on graphics and power, that's just my opinion. I don't want to keep playing games with the same 8 yo graphics for another 7-8 years.

I'll consider it a 7th gen console, untill I see something mind blowing that I haven't seen on PS3/360 coming out on it.

 

Opinions can be incorrect you know.

heres a quote from wikipedia 

"The system was released on November 18, 2012, in North America; November 30, 2012, in the PAL regions; and on December 8, 2012, in Japan.[8][9] It is the first entry in the eighth generation of video game home consoles,[10][11][12] and will compete with Sony's PlayStation 4 and Microsoft's Xbox One."



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curl-6 on 08 July 2013
Deyon said:
BossPuma said:

generations are not based on graphics or power. its chronology, the Wii was 7th gen and the Wii U is 8th gen.

I base it on graphics and power, that's just my opinion. I don't want to keep playing games with the same 8 yo graphics for another 7-8 years.

I'll consider it a 7th gen console, untill I see something mind blowing that I haven't seen on PS3/360 coming out on it.

 

Catch is that by the time a  definitively post-PS360 game arrives on it, you'll be so used to PS4/X1 graphics and have such rosy memories of PS360 graphics you won't notice. ;)



Deyon on 08 July 2013
BossPuma said:

Opinions can be incorrect you know.

heres a quote from wikipedia 

"The system was released on November 18, 2012, in North America; November 30, 2012, in the PAL regions; and on December 8, 2012, in Japan.[8][9] It is the first entry in the eighth generation of video game home consoles,[10][11][12] and will compete with Sony's PlayStation 4 and Microsoft's Xbox One."

Dude seriously? I told why I don't see it as a true next-gen system and you go copy paste text from Wikipedia like its' gonna change my mind. 

Laughable.



JOKA_ on 08 July 2013
BossPuma said:
Deyon said:
BossPuma said:

generations are not based on graphics or power. its chronology, the Wii was 7th gen and the Wii U is 8th gen.

I base it on graphics and power, that's just my opinion. I don't want to keep playing games with the same 8 yo graphics for another 7-8 years.

I'll consider it a 7th gen console, untill I see something mind blowing that I haven't seen on PS3/360 coming out on it.

 

Opinions can be incorrect you know.

heres a quote from wikipedia 

"The system was released on November 18, 2012, in North America; November 30, 2012, in the PAL regions; and on December 8, 2012, in Japan.[8][9] It is the first entry in the eighth generation of video game home consoles,[10][11][12] and will compete with Sony's PlayStation 4 and Microsoft's Xbox One."

brb, gunna go edit that to say "It is the last entry in the seventh generation of video game consoles, and will compete with the Sony PS3 and the XBox 360"

We need to have a universal definition of "generation" in the context of video games.  But that will never happen.



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Deyon on 09 July 2013
JOKA_ said:

brb, gunna go edit that to say "It is the last entry in the seventh generation of video game consoles, and will compete with the Sony PS3 and the XBox 360"

We need to have a universal definition of "generation" in the context of video games.  But that will never happen.

Nintendo has its own universal definition apparently. Next-Gen to them means, to launch a system with the same power capabilities as their competition's old consoles.



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curl-6 on 09 July 2013
Deyon said:
JOKA_ said:

brb, gunna go edit that to say "It is the last entry in the seventh generation of video game consoles, and will compete with the Sony PS3 and the XBox 360"

We need to have a universal definition of "generation" in the context of video games.  But that will never happen.

Apparently to Nintendo Next-Gen means, to launch a system with the same power capabilities as their competition's old consoles.

Nah, it just means launching a successor to their current console, same way my kids will be the next generation after me regardless of whether they're taller than me.



DucksUnlimited on 09 July 2013
Zero999 said:
DucksUnlimited said:

There were launch games on PS360 running at 1080p 60fps. If the Wii U already showed a nice difference then people wouldn't be having this conversation.

 

I love how you're making this huge deal out of the difference between the Wii U - PS360 but you say that the differences between it and the Xbone and PS4 are nothing big. Looking at RAM alone, Sony and MS's new consoles have 4 times as much, which is the same amount Wii U has over PS360. Estimations put the PS4 GPU at around 4-5 times as capable (in terms of FLOPS at least) as the Wii U's which is seemingly bigger than the difference between the Wii U and PS360.

Anyway, you're completely changing topic from the initial post. Either demonstrate that the PS2 was a smaller leap than the Wii U from their previous gens, respectively, or give it a rest.

I couldn't care less about ps2, this is about wii u and i can't stand this lie that it isn't much beyond what ps360 can do.

you mentioned RAM, well, devs did nothing but praise wii u's RAM. i guess that when you factor the memory that already has less latency and add the edram the actual performance is much more than 4x the ps360. and you can't exactly estimate the gflops difference when you don't know the number of flops of wii u.

AND there's the factor you always forget that's the modern technology and tools. ps360 are stuck with dx 9, shader model 3.0 and stuff like that while all the most recent version of those are common between wii u/ps4/xone. the difference lies in raw power alone and my estimate would be wii u x 2 = xone, xone x 1.5 = ps4. with the dev tools being the same between the 3 and engines getting more scalable than ever, that is not a big difference.

If you couldn't care less about the purpose of my original post, then why respond? So you can argue with me about something completely irrelevant?

I can't estimate the difference in GPU performance? But you can estimate the overall difference in performance between the 8th gen consoles? Your hypocrisy is just getting silly dude. I'm just going off of approximated numbers that people who have looked at the hardware have given. Nobody is saying there isn't a notable difference between the Wii U and PS360. In fact, I explicitly stated that there was like 2 posts ago. The point was that in comparison to other consoles' differences in power to their previous gen's systems, the difference between the Wii U and the seventh gen consoles definitely seems to be smaller.



HoloDust on 09 July 2013
DucksUnlimited said:
Zero999 said:

I couldn't care less about ps2, this is about wii u and i can't stand this lie that it isn't much beyond what ps360 can do.

you mentioned RAM, well, devs did nothing but praise wii u's RAM. i guess that when you factor the memory that already has less latency and add the edram the actual performance is much more than 4x the ps360. and you can't exactly estimate the gflops difference when you don't know the number of flops of wii u.

AND there's the factor you always forget that's the modern technology and tools. ps360 are stuck with dx 9, shader model 3.0 and stuff like that while all the most recent version of those are common between wii u/ps4/xone. the difference lies in raw power alone and my estimate would be wii u x 2 = xone, xone x 1.5 = ps4. with the dev tools being the same between the 3 and engines getting more scalable than ever, that is not a big difference.

If you couldn't care less about the purpose of my original post, then why respond? So you can argue with me about something completely irrelevant?

I can't estimate the difference in GPU performance? But you can estimate the overall difference in performance between the 8th gen consoles? Your hypocrisy is just getting silly dude. I'm just going off of approximated numbers that people who have looked at the hardware have given. Nobody is saying there isn't a notable difference between the Wii U and PS360. In fact, I explicitly stated that there was like 2 posts ago. The point was that in comparison to other consoles' differences in power to their previous gen's systems, the difference between the Wii U and the seventh gen consoles definitely seems to be smaller.


You're beating the dead horse there mate, some people are just beyond reason, basing their "arguments" on their blind loyalty to company of their choice, complete lack of knowledge of all things hardware and their beliefs that Nintendo has some futuristic super-tech that can can squeeze some miraculous performance out of such a small silicon with low TDP, contrary to all evidence pointing to opposite.

Anyway, this is educated guesstimate how current and next-gen console compare, performance wise, based on what is known up till now - SuperWii is fictional console with performance similar to what early WiiU rumors suggested (HD4850), which, unfortunately, turned out to be false.





Zero999 on 09 July 2013
DucksUnlimited said:
Zero999 said:
DucksUnlimited said:

There were launch games on PS360 running at 1080p 60fps. If the Wii U already showed a nice difference then people wouldn't be having this conversation.

 

I love how you're making this huge deal out of the difference between the Wii U - PS360 but you say that the differences between it and the Xbone and PS4 are nothing big. Looking at RAM alone, Sony and MS's new consoles have 4 times as much, which is the same amount Wii U has over PS360. Estimations put the PS4 GPU at around 4-5 times as capable (in terms of FLOPS at least) as the Wii U's which is seemingly bigger than the difference between the Wii U and PS360.

Anyway, you're completely changing topic from the initial post. Either demonstrate that the PS2 was a smaller leap than the Wii U from their previous gens, respectively, or give it a rest.

I couldn't care less about ps2, this is about wii u and i can't stand this lie that it isn't much beyond what ps360 can do.

you mentioned RAM, well, devs did nothing but praise wii u's RAM. i guess that when you factor the memory that already has less latency and add the edram the actual performance is much more than 4x the ps360. and you can't exactly estimate the gflops difference when you don't know the number of flops of wii u.

AND there's the factor you always forget that's the modern technology and tools. ps360 are stuck with dx 9, shader model 3.0 and stuff like that while all the most recent version of those are common between wii u/ps4/xone. the difference lies in raw power alone and my estimate would be wii u x 2 = xone, xone x 1.5 = ps4. with the dev tools being the same between the 3 and engines getting more scalable than ever, that is not a big difference.

If you couldn't care less about the purpose of my original post, then why respond? So you can argue with me about something completely irrelevant?

I can't estimate the difference in GPU performance? But you can estimate the overall difference in performance between the 8th gen consoles? Your hypocrisy is just getting silly dude. I'm just going off of approximated numbers that people who have looked at the hardware have given. Nobody is saying there isn't a notable difference between the Wii U and PS360. In fact, I explicitly stated that there was like 2 posts ago. The point was that in comparison to other consoles' differences in power to their previous gen's systems, the difference between the Wii U and the seventh gen consoles definitely seems to be smaller.

I originally quoted you because you said something like the wii u not being much beyond ps360.

about the bolded part: if that was your point then you weren't clear before. but why mention the obvious? ps4/xone are stronger than wii u so of course the difference between them and ps360 is bigger than wii u and ps360.



existenz2 on 09 July 2013

The general consensus is not as you have written because its done by comparison to hardware power.

 

PS4>xbone>wiiU but all higher than

ps3>xbox>wii>  etc