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Yup, by this logic your right 57 26.89%
 
No!! The PS4 isnt in 7th gen 92 43.40%
 
lets just start going by reasonable logic. 63 29.72%
 
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Zero999 on 09 July 2013
HoloDust said:
DucksUnlimited said:
Zero999 said:

I couldn't care less about ps2, this is about wii u and i can't stand this lie that it isn't much beyond what ps360 can do.

you mentioned RAM, well, devs did nothing but praise wii u's RAM. i guess that when you factor the memory that already has less latency and add the edram the actual performance is much more than 4x the ps360. and you can't exactly estimate the gflops difference when you don't know the number of flops of wii u.

AND there's the factor you always forget that's the modern technology and tools. ps360 are stuck with dx 9, shader model 3.0 and stuff like that while all the most recent version of those are common between wii u/ps4/xone. the difference lies in raw power alone and my estimate would be wii u x 2 = xone, xone x 1.5 = ps4. with the dev tools being the same between the 3 and engines getting more scalable than ever, that is not a big difference.

If you couldn't care less about the purpose of my original post, then why respond? So you can argue with me about something completely irrelevant?

I can't estimate the difference in GPU performance? But you can estimate the overall difference in performance between the 8th gen consoles? Your hypocrisy is just getting silly dude. I'm just going off of approximated numbers that people who have looked at the hardware have given. Nobody is saying there isn't a notable difference between the Wii U and PS360. In fact, I explicitly stated that there was like 2 posts ago. The point was that in comparison to other consoles' differences in power to their previous gen's systems, the difference between the Wii U and the seventh gen consoles definitely seems to be smaller.


You're beating the dead horse there mate, some people are just beyond reason, basing their "arguments" on their blind loyalty to company of their choice, complete lack of knowledge of all things hardware and their beliefs that Nintendo has some futuristic super-tech that can can squeeze some miraculous performance out of such a small silicon with low TDP, contrary to all evidence pointing to opposite.

Anyway, this is educated guesstimate how current and next-gen console compare, performance wise, based on what is known up till now - SuperWii is fictional console with performance similar to what early WiiU rumors suggested (HD4850), which, unfortunately, turned out to be false.

you live in a dream. Thank god you didn't develop Curé Syndrome.



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DucksUnlimited on 09 July 2013
Zero999 said:
DucksUnlimited said:
Zero999 said:
DucksUnlimited said:

There were launch games on PS360 running at 1080p 60fps. If the Wii U already showed a nice difference then people wouldn't be having this conversation.

 

I love how you're making this huge deal out of the difference between the Wii U - PS360 but you say that the differences between it and the Xbone and PS4 are nothing big. Looking at RAM alone, Sony and MS's new consoles have 4 times as much, which is the same amount Wii U has over PS360. Estimations put the PS4 GPU at around 4-5 times as capable (in terms of FLOPS at least) as the Wii U's which is seemingly bigger than the difference between the Wii U and PS360.

Anyway, you're completely changing topic from the initial post. Either demonstrate that the PS2 was a smaller leap than the Wii U from their previous gens, respectively, or give it a rest.

I couldn't care less about ps2, this is about wii u and i can't stand this lie that it isn't much beyond what ps360 can do.

you mentioned RAM, well, devs did nothing but praise wii u's RAM. i guess that when you factor the memory that already has less latency and add the edram the actual performance is much more than 4x the ps360. and you can't exactly estimate the gflops difference when you don't know the number of flops of wii u.

AND there's the factor you always forget that's the modern technology and tools. ps360 are stuck with dx 9, shader model 3.0 and stuff like that while all the most recent version of those are common between wii u/ps4/xone. the difference lies in raw power alone and my estimate would be wii u x 2 = xone, xone x 1.5 = ps4. with the dev tools being the same between the 3 and engines getting more scalable than ever, that is not a big difference.

If you couldn't care less about the purpose of my original post, then why respond? So you can argue with me about something completely irrelevant?

I can't estimate the difference in GPU performance? But you can estimate the overall difference in performance between the 8th gen consoles? Your hypocrisy is just getting silly dude. I'm just going off of approximated numbers that people who have looked at the hardware have given. Nobody is saying there isn't a notable difference between the Wii U and PS360. In fact, I explicitly stated that there was like 2 posts ago. The point was that in comparison to other consoles' differences in power to their previous gen's systems, the difference between the Wii U and the seventh gen consoles definitely seems to be smaller.

I originally quoted you because you said something like the wii u not being much beyond ps360.

about the bolded part: if that was your point then you weren't clear before. but why mention the obvious? ps4/xone are stronger than wii u so of course the difference between them and ps360 is bigger than wii u and ps360.

I said that in the context of being a next gen system. I was extremely clear about that.

I still don't think you're clear. I'm talking about the historical gap between the weakest console of each generation compared to the consoles from the previous gen. I'm not talking about PS4/Xone. The OP suggested that the PS2 was a gen behind because it was the weakest. While gens aren't based on power, I argued that the Wii U gap to 7th gen consoles was smaller than the PS2's gap with 5th gen consoles, so he was using a flawed analogy.

But I've already clarified this with you in just about every post. You don't seem to have any interest in my actual argument. You just got your feelings hurt because I don't consider the Wii U to be some massive leap, and ignored everything else I said. This is my last response unless you intend to address the actual point of my original post.



Zero999 on 09 July 2013
DucksUnlimited said:
Zero999 said:

I originally quoted you because you said something like the wii u not being much beyond ps360.

about the bolded part: if that was your point then you weren't clear before. but why mention the obvious? ps4/xone are stronger than wii u so of course the difference between them and ps360 is bigger than wii u and ps360.

I said that in the context of being a next gen system. I was extremely clear about that.

I still don't think you're clear. I'm talking about the historical gap between the weakest console of each generation compared to the consoles from the previous gen. I'm not talking about PS4/Xone. The OP suggested that the PS2 was a gen behind because it was the weakest. While gens aren't based on power, I argued that the Wii U gap to 7th gen consoles was smaller than the PS2's gap with 5th gen consoles, so he was using a flawed analogy.

But I've already clarified this with you in just about every post. You don't seem to have any interest in my actual argument. You just got your feelings hurt because I don't consider the Wii U to be some massive leap, and ignored everything else I said. This is my last response unless you intend to address the actual point of my original post.

i think the OP is being ironic to all the "arguments" haters use to say wii u is 7th gen. and duh, of course the ps2 is much more powerful than  n64/ps/saturn.



BossPuma on 09 July 2013
Deyon said:

Dude seriously? I told why I don't see it as a true next-gen system and you go copy paste text from Wikipedia like its' gonna change my mind. 

Laughable

Im not trying to change youre mind, im telling you your opinion is wrong.

If you told me you didnt like Vanilla Ice Cream, i couldnt argue with you.

but if you told me Vanilla Ice Cream tasted like crap, then i can tell you youre wrong, unless you have wierd taste buds. Thats just an example.



DucksUnlimited on 09 July 2013
Zero999 said:
DucksUnlimited said:
Zero999 said:

I originally quoted you because you said something like the wii u not being much beyond ps360.

about the bolded part: if that was your point then you weren't clear before. but why mention the obvious? ps4/xone are stronger than wii u so of course the difference between them and ps360 is bigger than wii u and ps360.

I said that in the context of being a next gen system. I was extremely clear about that.

I still don't think you're clear. I'm talking about the historical gap between the weakest console of each generation compared to the consoles from the previous gen. I'm not talking about PS4/Xone. The OP suggested that the PS2 was a gen behind because it was the weakest. While gens aren't based on power, I argued that the Wii U gap to 7th gen consoles was smaller than the PS2's gap with 5th gen consoles, so he was using a flawed analogy.

But I've already clarified this with you in just about every post. You don't seem to have any interest in my actual argument. You just got your feelings hurt because I don't consider the Wii U to be some massive leap, and ignored everything else I said. This is my last response unless you intend to address the actual point of my original post.

i think the OP is being ironic to all the "arguments" haters use to say wii u is 7th gen. and duh, of course the ps2 is much more powerful than  n64/ps/saturn.

He's trying to turn the haters logic against them, yes. And while I don't agree with the haters, I'm simply explaining that his analogy he used to try and make a point doesn't work. I'm glad it only took like 8 posts of arguing about something completely irrelevant to get my initial two-sentence post across.



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DucksUnlimited on 09 July 2013
BossPuma said:
Deyon said:

Dude seriously? I told why I don't see it as a true next-gen system and you go copy paste text from Wikipedia like its' gonna change my mind. 

Laughable

Im not trying to change youre mind, im telling you your opinion is wrong.

If you told me you didnt like Vanilla Ice Cream, i couldnt argue with you.

but if you told me Vanilla Ice Cream tasted like crap, then i can tell you youre wrong, unless you have wierd taste buds. Thats just an example.

I don't think you understand how opinions work.



BossPuma on 09 July 2013
DucksUnlimited said:
BossPuma said:
Deyon said:

Dude seriously? I told why I don't see it as a true next-gen system and you go copy paste text from Wikipedia like its' gonna change my mind. 

Laughable

Im not trying to change youre mind, im telling you your opinion is wrong.

If you told me you didnt like Vanilla Ice Cream, i couldnt argue with you.

but if you told me Vanilla Ice Cream tasted like crap, then i can tell you youre wrong, unless you have wierd taste buds. Thats just an example.

I don't think you understand how opinions work.

I do understand the difference between objectivity and subjectivity, but please, enlighten me



sales2099 on 09 July 2013

Sony fanbois won't allow it. PS4 is 8th gen because anything less wouldn't comply with their standards :P



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

DucksUnlimited on 09 July 2013
BossPuma said:
DucksUnlimited said:
BossPuma said:
Deyon said:

Dude seriously? I told why I don't see it as a true next-gen system and you go copy paste text from Wikipedia like its' gonna change my mind. 

Laughable

Im not trying to change youre mind, im telling you your opinion is wrong.

If you told me you didnt like Vanilla Ice Cream, i couldnt argue with you.

but if you told me Vanilla Ice Cream tasted like crap, then i can tell you youre wrong, unless you have wierd taste buds. Thats just an example.

I don't think you understand how opinions work.

I do understand the difference between objectivity and subjectivity, but please, enlighten me

If that was the case, I think you would know that an opinion can't be wrong.



BossPuma on 09 July 2013
DucksUnlimited said:
BossPuma said:
DucksUnlimited said:
BossPuma said:
Deyon said:

Dude seriously? I told why I don't see it as a true next-gen system and you go copy paste text from Wikipedia like its' gonna change my mind. 

Laughable

Im not trying to change youre mind, im telling you your opinion is wrong.

If you told me you didnt like Vanilla Ice Cream, i couldnt argue with you.

but if you told me Vanilla Ice Cream tasted like crap, then i can tell you youre wrong, unless you have wierd taste buds. Thats just an example.

I don't think you understand how opinions work.

I do understand the difference between objectivity and subjectivity, but please, enlighten me

If that was the case, I think you would know that an opinion can't be wrong.


The reasons behind the opinion can be wrong though. Saying that the Wii U is 7th Gen, is factually wrong. 

If he wants to think that the Wii U is 7th gen, i cant make him think differently, but his reasoning is wrong.