Low pre-orders made MS change its anti consumer policies.
Low pre-orders made MS change its anti consumer policies.
| Carl2291 said: The minority crowd, eh? Surely it was the minority that was preordering the One, forcing them to change tactics to appeal to others. The console simply wasnt desired. It changed too much, too soon. The majority voted. Microsoft listened. |
Microsoft sucks at telling a story but if Xbox One was going to become anything like Steam is today, its the better way and "majority" just doesn't know it.
"magine a family where a Dad and his two sons want to play Halo against each other. With the Xbox One, they would only need one copy of Halo, now with the changed rules, they need to buy three."
confirmed false. he misunderstands what MS said.
"Because every single game, physical or digital, would be tied to an account, publishers couldcreate a hub to sell and resell the games digitally"
nothing is preventing that from still happening. this is in no way tied the the current or previous policy.
"YOU: New games could then be cheaper. Why? Publishers KNOW that they will not make money on resold games, so they charge more to you, the first buyer."
a point completely and utter obliterated by his incorrect notion of how game sharing worked in top quote and further nullified from MS's official statement that new games cost $60.
"You also would have started getting a better return on your “used” games—because a license does not have to be resold at a diminished rate."
if publishers get a cut of used game sales someone is paying for it. directly or indirectly the value to the consumer would be diminished.
"There is something ironic about people going online to complain about the 24-hr check on the Xbox One. "
there is nothing ironic in standing up for my consumer rights.
disolitude said:
Innovation does not equal market reception. Xbox One model may have crashed and burned, but it was different. This industry has been in a stalemate for at least 4 years now. The Xbox One model may not have been the game changer...but it had a chance to be. Now we are just maintaining the status quo. Also if we look around on this site at the people who were most vocal about this...can we really say that your statement is true? People pushing this agenda are not really the biggest Xbox supporters now or before the reversal. |
Bonkers is going to buy it and he literally buys every single game that releases. Some of the others like NobleTeam and Wick have jumped ship too. Similiar sentiment is there on gaf and other threads. People are giving it a consideration now. The bad PR was not just hurting the XBOX brand but entire company. So this reversal really helps them. Also they said the 10 family sharing plan won't be availble at launch. So it might come back and would be a good incentive for people who want to buy digital copies.
They should make the digital content appealing for people by offering more for lower price and than expect people to ease into digital. Not the other way around.
| kitler53 said: "magine a family where a Dad and his two sons want to play Halo against each other. With the Xbox One, they would only need one copy of Halo, now with the changed rules, they need to buy three." |
Im not going to argue these points but make a single point...
We don't know where this new path Microsoft was going to lead to. For people that want their disks and to stay with the current status quo, there was the awesome PS4.
Xbox One was doing something different. Right now we have 2 consoles with downright identical components that work exactly the same and will have 90% of the same gaming library.
We lost a choice as consumers and gaming industry lost a possible path that may be the better way.
For now at least...I see this coming back in a few years.
disolitude said:
Innovation does not equal market reception. Xbox One model may have crashed and burned, but it was different. This industry has been in a stalemate for at least 4 years now. The Xbox One model may not have been the game changer...but it had a chance to be. Now we are just maintaining the status quo. Also if we look around on this site at the people who were most vocal about this...can we really say that your statement is true? People pushing this agenda are not really the biggest Xbox supporters now or before the reversal. |
look harder. you and kowenicki were like the last 2 standing. loads of well known xbox guys were switching camps here. my jaw hit the damn floor when i saw nsanity post "i don't think i can get and xbone at lauch or ever with these policies".
like we sort of talked about in that other thread, it all comes down to choice. MS's only mistake was combinding their retail and physical strategey. i'm goiing to be a digital guy next gen ps4 or otherwise. but that's my choice because i like the benefits of digital. ..but it's not for everyone. analyse publishers retail spending habits and i don't know how you can come to any conclusion other than it's not for the majority of the current market.
is digital the future? yes, i think so. ..but you put a carrot on a stick and try to lead consumers to the future. you don't take that stick and beat them with it.
How were the preorders awful? It was #1 on Amazon before the change and preorders were sold out at Gamestop?
| disolitude said: Im not going to argue these points but make a single point... We don't know where this new path Microsoft was going to lead to. For people that want their disks and to stay with the current status quo, there was the awesome PS4. Xbox One was doing something different. Right now we have 2 consoles with downright identical components that work exactly the same and will have 90% of the same gaming library. We lost a choice as consumers and gaming industry lost a possible path that may be the better way. For now at least...I see this coming back in a few years. |
Or... perhaps this is the better way.
If the Xbone had been accepted by consumers, then that would have been it. The future would be whatever Microsoft said it was. Sony would have looked at the fact that consumers are so willing to cede so much control, just as they are willing to pay for online multiplayer, and they would have adopted it, too. Nintendo would have followed along, too, in a generation or two just as they always do in their own time. The future would be Cliffy B's Sketchers stamping on a gamer's face, forever.
Now Microsoft still has the opportunity to pursue whatever their vision of the future is, only they will have to make it more enticing. How on Earth did consumers - who are the most important part of the gaming industry - and thus the industry itself not win here?
| disolitude said: Microsoft sucks at telling a story but if Xbox One was going to become anything like Steam is today, its the better way and "majority" just doesn't know it. |
Thats a pretty big if though.
They really should have talked more about the digital marketplace. Maybe it wasnt as bad as people thought it would be...
Im sure we will see the plans for the digital future unfold over the next 3-4 Years. If they have a Steam-like setup, Id be all for that.
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| disolitude said: ... Im not going to argue these points but make a single point... We don't know where this new path Microsoft was going to lead to. For people that want their disks and to stay with the current status quo, there was the awesome PS4. Xbox One was doing something different. Right now we have 2 consoles with downright identical components that work exactly the same and will have 90% of the same gaming library. We lost a choice as consumers and gaming industry lost a possible path that may be the better way. For now at least...I see this coming back in a few years. |
it absolutely will come back and it won't take years to see it.
i don't think this really changes MS's digital strategy in any significant way. xbone won't feel like a 360 and neither will the ps4. i personally think you're being overly dramatic about how much of a reversal this is. all this does is seperate their retail and digital strategies giving consumers the choice of what works best for them. guys like you and me will still see amazing new things come digitally and when the rest of the market can see those benefits come to life they'll join us. they'll join us when they're ready.