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Kazus on 09 May 2013

Who else, but the original gaming king, teaching the newer gens how to reign correctly.



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Branko2166 on 09 May 2013

@Asriel

Fair enough. People do sometimes tend to get carried away and allow their allegience to affect their bias.
At the same time if people weren't passionate than there would be less debate so it's a double edged sword I suppose. Hopefully when Sony and Microsoft release their new consoles it will cause more people to join this forum and we can have more people contribute to the discussion :)



 

 

NobleTeam360 on 09 May 2013

People thought the PS2 could be outsold?



Carl on 09 May 2013
scottie said:
Where are people getting any of this stuff from?

Sources I can find put the PS2 no longer in production (http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/jan/04/playstation-2-manufacture-ends-years), with sales (presumably shipment) of 155M, plus the those shipped since Mar 2012, which is going to leave it considerably below the 160 mark, probably around 157-158M total produced, with essentially all of them shipped and sold, and the few that aren't will be soon.

In the April-June Quarter of 2012, the PS2 shipped 1 to 1.1 Million units, maybe more.

Can work it out from things Sony said. PS3 and PS2 did a combined 2.8 Million in the Quarter, while the PS3 was also confirmed down YoY. It shipped 1.8 Million in the Apr-Jun Q of 2011. It leaves a minimum of 1 Million PS2's shipped in the same Q of 2012.

It was sitting between 156.1 and 156.2 Million units at the end of June 2012.

Now. We dont know exactly what PS2 did between June and December. We can guess it just shipped a ton between Jan-March though. Last Year they shipped a combined 2.5 Million units between Jan-March, it was a 1.9M/0.6M split between PS3 and PS2. This Year they shipped a combined 3.4 Million units between Jan-March. Isnt the PS3 also down YoY? Hmm...



                            

wfz on 09 May 2013

Well the DS is still ahead of the PS2 in the USA and it's very likely to stay that way. Battle won (but war lost)? :p



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GameAnalyser on 09 May 2013

Not surprising at all. DS came that close.



veritaz on 09 May 2013
pezus said:
scottie said:
Where are people getting any of this stuff from?

Sources I can find put the PS2 no longer in production (http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/jan/04/playstation-2-manufacture-ends-years), with sales (presumably shipment) of 155M, plus the those shipped since Mar 2012, which is going to leave it considerably below the 160 mark, probably around 157-158M total produced, with essentially all of them shipped and sold, and the few that aren't will be soon.

And then we have the DS, which "Nintendo will continue to sell Nintendo DS Hardware but is not revealing a unit sales forecast at this time." VGChartz numbers put the DS at 154.55 sold, with maybe another 0.25 shipped but not sold, giving 154.8M, requiring sales of 2.2-3.2M more to match the PS2. Considering that the DS sold 3.4 M in 2012, and is selling about 50% of what it was a year ago, it could end up getting 1.7M in 2013 if it isn't discontinued.

Not saying the DS will make it, but it's certainly closer to making it than the 15M+ gap that other people seem to be indicating.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=158528&page=1

3.4m PS2+PS3 shipped in the past quarter. Surely you don't think that's only PS3?

And actually, VGChartz DS numbers have been overtracked for a while (as in higher sales here than shipments reported by Nintendo)

Finally, PS2 is outselling DS quarter after quarter. The gap isn't becoming smaller, it's becoming bigger.


I was hoping someone would correct him so i didn't have to.



Zelhawks37 on 09 May 2013
Asriel said:

Get your facts right before you post.

DS production hasn't yet stopped, Nintendo have merely stopped forecasting sales for the device. If you judge production of a device by that yardstick, then bad news--Sony have now stopped forecasting PS2 sales, and have only forecast expected PS3 sales for the coming year. Obviously the PS2 has stopped being produced, no?

OR, think a little more clearly, and realise that both systems are now in the same place. Sales are low enough, and other systems are more of a priority at both firms, that PS2 and DS no longer need to be forecast. The information is no longer particularly relevant to investors, shareholders and analysts.

It should also come as no surprise to anyone that PS2 remains the top selling system of all time. Sony are a huge consumer electronics firm that sell in a far wider variety of markets than Nintendo do, which means Sony have a more widespread, superior distribution network through which they sold PS2 after sales in major videogaming markets had become a non-entity. The fact DS came so close to PS2 without that kind of distribution apparatus is immensely impressive. DS never had as large an audience to appeal to as PS2, because it was never sold to as many markets.

More importantly, both DS and PS2 were phenomenal systems with diverse, impressive catalogues of software. Why we can't celebrate that, instead of enduring another tribalistic, fanboy-centric circle jerk thread about PS2 versus DS? Or are the numbers more important than the experiences each system provided? Such a shame that fans of both sides of this argument haven't bothered to celebrate that, but instead opted for these kinds of silly little threads.

Thank you. I hate fanboy competitions too.



Estelle and Adol... best characters ever! XD

jake_the_fake1 on 09 May 2013

Hail to the king baby!!!

The PS2, King of all Kings and yet to be dethroned. When Sony says 10 years, they really mean it and no one should ever question Sony again, put frankly, they are the only company that cares, as shown by their commitment to us the gamer.


/Rant
The Wii was a major success just as many FAD's have been in the past. Yes the Wii and it's motion controls were a passing FAD, the Wii followed the typical trend of a FAD, massive uptake on sales followed by a huge decline all within a few years. Just consider this, the Wii sold gangbusters with almost no 3rd party support, sold gangbusters when we the gamers saw a drought of games, and the Wii kept selling gangbusters no matter what good or bad games were released. It sold gangbusters because the gimmick of motion controls struck a core with the casual market just like DDR and guitar Hero did back in their peak, but like true FAD it quickly subsided.

I know there will be people here who will disagree saying that it's not a FAD, but all you need to do is look at the Wii's successor, the Wii U, and it's clear that Nintendo thought that the motion gimmick/FAD was used and done for and shifted their primary control scheme away from the Wii's motion controls to the tablet controls in hopes to take advantage of the casuals market migration to such devices, currently their strategy may not be working but there still plenty of time for Nintendo to save the system like they did with the 3DS.

Now during this FAD, many, not some but many Nintendo fans kept touting that not only was the DS going to topple the PS2 from it's throne, but that the Wii too was going to topple it, and during the Wii's hay days it was all but a forgone conclusion. Just the mere mention of the Wii being a FAD or that the Wii may not reach the PS2 sales was scoffed at, but now is the time they should eat their nice juicy crow.

I and many people I know have known that the Wii was a passing FAD, if it smells like a FAD, quacks like a FAD, then it's a frigging FAD. All the proof was their visible for all to see, but most Nintendo fans ignored the almost non-existent 3rd party support, and ignored the software droughts that plagued the system as there key focus was the fact that for the fist time since the PSone a Nintendo console was dominating sales and their by dominating the generation. Truth be told Nintendo did win the 7th generation of consoles, but one could say that it was a hollow victory, because while Nintendo had the install base and the numbers, the 3rd party support was on the PS3/360 where the majority of core gamers existed, as such one could argue that from a core gamers perspective the machines that won out in the 7th generation were indeed the PS3 and 360, but it does depend on perspective so take it as you will.


My 2 cents.
//Rant



Yakuzaice on 09 May 2013
scottie said:
Where are people getting any of this stuff from?

Sources I can find put the PS2 no longer in production (http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/jan/04/playstation-2-manufacture-ends-years), with sales (presumably shipment) of 155M, plus the those shipped since Mar 2012, which is going to leave it considerably below the 160 mark, probably around 157-158M total produced, with essentially all of them shipped and sold, and the few that aren't will be soon.

And then we have the DS, which "Nintendo will continue to sell Nintendo DS Hardware but is not revealing a unit sales forecast at this time." VGChartz numbers put the DS at 154.55 sold, with maybe another 0.25 shipped but not sold, giving 154.8M, requiring sales of 2.2-3.2M more to match the PS2. Considering that the DS sold 3.4 M in 2012, and is selling about 50% of what it was a year ago, it could end up getting 1.7M in 2013 if it isn't discontinued.

Not saying the DS will make it, but it's certainly closer to making it than the 15M+ gap that other people seem to be indicating.

VGC numbers aren't even worth referencing at this point.  As of March 2013 the DS is at 153.87 million shipped.  Considering it only shipped 200k last quarter, it certainly hasn't done the 700k+ in the last month it would need to do to reach 154.55 million sold.  Numbers from last year are overtracked as well.

I only see one person suggesting a 15+ million gap.