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I love the great president obama. I blame congress for everything. He can only do so much. It's congress that can't seem 2 get anything done.



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I'm sorry, but the very title of this thread, let alone every single point the OP tries to make, are complete and utter bullshit. We go from LITERALLY one of the worst presidents we've ever had (Bush Jr.), to Obama, who while not great, has spent this entire time trying to clean up W's mess. And no, it's not a matter of Democrat vs. Republican, it's a matter of "People voted a complete fucking idiot into office for the wrong reasons, and his successor has spent years trying to fix the damage his administration caused". By the end of his reign, even most REPUBLICANS agreed Bush was a goddamn terrible President, which is why most R candidates turned on him, publicly criticized him, and distanced themself from him (even IF they actually intended to just carry on most of his policies). On the OTHER hand, you're trying to aruge things like "Oh NO, Obama has destroyed healthcare and is trying to take away our GUNS", when what? MOST Americans, including most Republicans, agreed that our health care system was completely fucked, and WANTED change. We didn't get the change we should have got, because Congress are cowards, but it's still better than nothing, and now millions more Americans have PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR (IE ZERO "socialism" to be found). And as far as "Gun Control", we had it once before as it pertains to what was trying to recently be passed, and the Bush administration let those laws expire. Now they're trying to put those SAME laws (that didn't take ANYONE'S fucking guns away from them), back in place, and poeple shit their pants. MOST Americans, as judged by NUMEROUS polls from a variety of sources, at the VERY least strongly supported the idea of more stringent background checks. And yet cowards in Congress failed to pass that, due to the NRA giving them lots and lots of shit (and money).

But enough's enough. The OP has zero factual basis for any of the shit he's trying to use as reasons for Obama being "THE WORST COMMUNIST SOCIALIST SECRET FASCIST MUSLIM TERRORIST PRESIDENT OF ALL TIME".

The Black Guy won. It's time to get the fuck over it already.

 

P.S. To anyone thinking they're terribly clever and trying to point out that "Us Liberals" are blaming Bush for bad things, but saying it's not Obama's fault, it's all Congress, here's the actual facts on that. When Bush was President, he spent most of his time having a REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED CONGRESS that gave him anything and everything his administration desired, just about. Then in 2006, when Congress finally became Dem controlled again? They proceeded to be the spineless cowards most of them are, and lifted their butts highly into the air, and proceeded to, guess what? Give the Bush Administration just about anything they asked for, STILL. Maybe not to the extreme degree, but they did. They were cowards and a colossal disappointment. Congress has been a huge problem for Decades, but that DOESN'T change or excuse the fact that George W. Bush WAS, undisputedly, a horrendously shitty President, and his administration was corrupt, incompetant, and did a LOT of damage. President Obama isn't perfect. But he's a hell of a lot better than what we had, and considering the STATE the country was left in when he took office, I think that, while I do believe he could be a much BETTER President than he has been, that he has done a fairly admirable job. Personally, I wish he's lean FURTHER "left" than he has or does, based on my own socio-political beliefs. And that makes it even more hilarious that right-wing nutjobs sit and cry about "That Obama" being such a horrible SOCIALIST (a word they abuse and don't even come close to understanding), when in fact he's SO middle of the road most times, it's almost painful.



People need historical perspective with Bush Jr. Wait 20 years or so then develop an opinion on his terms in office. Putting him next to Nixon and Buchanan is just ridiculous at this point. Lyndon Johnson is pretty bad too considering the way he effectively promoted welfare (I believe we only had 1 million recipients before him) and tried to end poverty to the detriment of everyone (projects anyone?). Buchanan wins it in my book because his incompetence and lack of interest in preventing civil war caused the greatest loss of life in American history.




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DevilRising said:
I'm sorry, but the very title of this thread, let alone every single point the OP tries to make, are complete and utter bullshit. We go from LITERALLY one of the worst presidents we've ever had (Bush Jr.), to Obama, who while not great, has spent this entire time trying to clean up W's mess. And no, it's not a matter of Democrat vs. Republican, it's a matter of "People voted a complete fucking idiot into office for the wrong reasons, and his successor has spent years trying to fix the damage his administration caused". By the end of his reign, even most REPUBLICANS agreed Bush was a goddamn terrible President, which is why most R candidates turned on him, publicly criticized him, and distanced themself from him (even IF they actually intended to just carry on most of his policies).

But enough's enough. The OP has zero factual basis for any of the shit he's trying to use as reasons for Obama being "THE WORST COMMUNIST SOCIALIST SECRET FASCIST MUSLIM TERRORIST PRESIDENT OF ALL TIME".

The Black Guy won. It's time to get the fuck over it already.

typical.  He didn't say anything racist or accuse Obama of being any of those things yet you bring them all up as if that's the average opponent of Obama.  Saying all people on the right are rednecks who throw out those accusations is like me saying all liberals are pothead hippies who would rather save a species of caterpillar than stop North Korea from doing anything (I don't believe that just demonstrating the extreme you're going to stereotyping like this).




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NintendoPie said:
His first term was only average, he never should've been voted back in. Though, I don't think he's been the worst president we've had. There are too many contenders for that position.

Oh, and the Bush's (lol) weren't as bad as most of you people make them out to be.

the Bush criticisms are a product of recent memory.  Time will do him favors as it has done to many.  He wasn't great by any stretch of the imagination but people need some historical perspective if they think he's the worst ever.  There's been 44 of them after all.




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Ssenkahdavic said:
I just find it interesting that people say
"Bush was so terrible, look how he destroyed the country?"

Then in another breath say
"Its not Obama's fault, its the fault of Congress"

Which is it? Blaming Congress or Blaming the President? Hell, look at Clinton
"Clinton was a great president who got so much accomplished"

Oh ya, we forget he had a Republican Congress he was forced to work with.

Is Obama the worst ever? I highly doubt it and we cannot judge it until after he is finished. One thing is for sure though, he does not deserve the free passes he is given and Id rather just call him our "Campaigner in Chief". The government is more than just the president and should be held up as such. This is one terrible government, but it is terrible because of everyone involved.


The republicans in Congress did everything Bush wanted.

While congress under Obama fights against him every step of the way like it's a crime to be a Black president LOL.



Gets feathers ruffled over the fact that I made a crack about "The Black Guy" winning.

Completely ignores and fails to bother even trying to dispute every other thing I said, including the quip about the "Communist Socialist Secret Fascist Muslim Terrorist", all labels nuts on the right have called Obama over time. It's not about "Left vs. Right", or "D vs. R". At this point it's gotten down to being about Intelligence vs. Moronicism.

 

So you can say "typical" all you want, assuming things about me that you have zero basis for. Meanwhile, the problem with the OPs post and "points", are that they're all based in the same unintelligent drivel that has been spread around the blogosphere, talk radio, and Fox News, for years. If anyone actually buys into that crap, that Obama is THAT horrible, and that he's actually done/is actually doing all that bullshit he used as bullet points.....I'm sorry, but there's something very wrong, and it's not with the President. Getting talking points from the likes of Karl Rove, or Michelle Bachman, or Glenn Beck, or Rush Limbaugh, or Alex Jones, is hilariously laughable, whether you actively listen to those people, or activiely even REALIZE these talking points are originating from their mouths, is immatereal.

On the list of "Worst US Presidents Ever", Barack Hussein Obama is NOWHERE near the top of that list. Not even the Top 5. Perhaps not even the Top 10.

Is he presiding over one of the worst TIMES in American history? Absolutely. No quest, no argument. But who kicked off that "worst time", I wonder? Or was 9/11, the deregulation of Wall Street, the start of the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, and the eventual collapse of not only the US, but most of the WORLD'S economy, all Obama's fault, even before he had become a US Senator? You know, because he was secretly being trained to destroy America and all.

I think Obama could absolutely be a MUCH better President than he has been. But how much of that is his personal fault, and how much of that is the fault of the times he's having to deal with, the complete obstructionism he receives from Congress, not only from the "Right", but even sometimes from his own shitty party? Calling him "the worst ever" is about as laughable as saying that George W. Bush was a "Great President". Or hell, that Ronald Reagan or Bill Clinton were "Great Presidents". On a list of "Greatest Presidents Ever", none of those fools are anywhere near the top either.....



platformmaster918 said:
DevilRising said:
I'm sorry, but the very title of this thread, let alone every single point the OP tries to make, are complete and utter bullshit. We go from LITERALLY one of the worst presidents we've ever had (Bush Jr.), to Obama, who while not great, has spent this entire time trying to clean up W's mess. And no, it's not a matter of Democrat vs. Republican, it's a matter of "People voted a complete fucking idiot into office for the wrong reasons, and his successor has spent years trying to fix the damage his administration caused". By the end of his reign, even most REPUBLICANS agreed Bush was a goddamn terrible President, which is why most R candidates turned on him, publicly criticized him, and distanced themself from him (even IF they actually intended to just carry on most of his policies).

But enough's enough. The OP has zero factual basis for any of the shit he's trying to use as reasons for Obama being "THE WORST COMMUNIST SOCIALIST SECRET FASCIST MUSLIM TERRORIST PRESIDENT OF ALL TIME".

The Black Guy won. It's time to get the fuck over it already.

typical.  He didn't say anything racist or accuse Obama of being any of those things yet you bring them all up as if that's the average opponent of Obama.  Saying all people on the right are rednecks who throw out those accusations is like me saying all liberals are pothead hippies who would rather save a species of caterpillar than stop North Korea from doing anything (I don't believe that just demonstrating the extreme you're going to stereotyping like this).


P.S. To anyone thinking they're terribly clever and trying to point out that "Us Liberals" are blaming Bush for bad things, but saying it's not Obama's fault, it's all Congress, here's the actual facts on that. When Bush was President, he spent most of his time having a REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED CONGRESS that gave him anything and everything his administration desired, just about. Then in 2006, when Congress finally became Dem controlled again? They proceeded to be the spineless cowards most of them are, and lifted their butts highly into the air, and proceeded to, guess what? Give the Bush Administration just about anything they asked for, STILL. Maybe not to the extreme degree, but they did. They were cowards and a colossal disappointment. Congress has been a huge problem for Decades, but that DOESN'T change or excuse the fact that George W. Bush WAS, undisputedly, a horrendously shitty President, and his administration was corrupt, incompetant, and did a LOT of damage. President Obama isn't perfect. But he's a hell of a lot better than what we had, and considering the STATE the country was left in when he took office, I think that, while I do believe he could be a much BETTER President than he has been, that he has done a fairly admirable job. Personally, I wish he's lean FURTHER "left" than he has or does, based on my own socio-political beliefs. And that makes it even more hilarious that right-wing nutjobs sit and cry about "That Obama" being such a horrible SOCIALIST (a word they abuse and don't even come close to understanding), when in fact he's SO middle of the road most times, it's almost painful.

 

Why did you edit out that part?



Kaizar said:
snyps said:
Obama and Bush are equally bad. Obama is slightly more dangerous because he is adored. Both are obvious trailers to anyone who reads the bills they signed. They swear an oath to the constitution. Then put the black sharpie on it.


Bush deregulates the stock market which causes every recession in America since the 1920's and Obama regulated the stock market which causes every recovery & surplus since the recovery from the republicans great recession of 1929. And Obama did the best regulations for minimum decline and maximum incline, which is why the stock market is already much above 14,500 and will probably be above 15,000 for an even more greater surplus economy before the end of this year.

After 12,000 it usually is a much slower incline in a surplus.


Regan Clinton and Bush deregulated the stock market.  Obama made promises but caved into lobbiest.  The market is not re-regulated to the way it was.  A collapse is coming.  That's why they're after our rights.  A precaution for the chaos.  Dems and Reps work for the same banks.



Hes pretty terrible no doubt. BUT the worst president? Hardly. Go look back in history and you will see there were worse presidents than him.



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