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spurgeonryan said:
Kaizar said:

President Obama done more good in his first 4 years then Bill Clinton's 8 whole years.

 

And it's Congress who has done those bad things in your OP, NOT Obama.

And the slow recovery is because of Bush having 2 seperate national depts which one of them was 10 trillion dollars while the other was 45 trillion dollars by 2008, which comes to a total national debt of 55 trillion dollars in 2008. Plus in a global recession done by Bush & Congress, well we have no one buying American products in foreign countries like PCs & Macs, and we have no tourist nor tourist dollars being spent to speed up recovery to e same pace as the past American recessions that were American only recessions.

 

If you are not going to get into details, nor make these complaints when they where happening in 2005 (over 1 million Americans kids went homeless since 2001) & 2007 (Housing Market crashes hard) & 18 months later during 2008 (Global Recession), then stop being such a phony by complaining 5 to 8 years after the disaster happen, that's like saying you don't like how Obama allow 9/11 happen even though that was also under Bush.

You make some good points about our credit rating & so fort, but you loose your creditability when you blame them on the executive office, when everyone by now knows that this is ONLY the House of Representatives fault.

And alcohol leads to doing drugs way more then marijuana ever has for the past many decades. And Marujuana is less harmful in everyway across the board then Red Wine for crying out loud. Do you know how many health hazards Red Wine has?

And Obama has nothing to do with New Yorks ban on large sodas anymore then he has to do with guns being allowed in Texas the way they are.

First, your sig is cray cray! Second, I understand that Congress probably has too much power. But it is his job as president to reign them in. he is still the one in charge and to blame. As I said before. I expect more from him.


Look up: Majority Whip.



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Kaizar said:
yo_john117 said:

So considering all the retarded and stupid stuff Obama has done; why do so many people think Bush was worse?

I don't know too much about past presidents so I can't say Obama is the worst but he definitely is the worst since the 80's

 

Oh and I feel I must say that quite a lot of the stuff that gets pinned on Obama and Bush was not their fault.


Ronald Reagan caused a Recession and so did Bush.

Bill Clinton created a surplus and so did Obama.

 

Ronald Reagan & Bush had the job market go down in their presidency.

Bill Clinton & Obama have the Job Market go up during their presidency.

 

Reagan & Bush had the housing market go down during their presidency.

Bill Clinton & Barack (Jewish Name) Obama (African Name) have the housing market go up during their presidency.

 

Lightning doesn't strike twice in running a country.

I just have to point out that the housing market is not the president's fault. President's don't cause recessions. It's what they do about them that matters the most.

Also Obama creating a surplus is an absolute lie.



Psyberius said:
Flanneryaug said:

So the guy that has been working on fixing a destroyed economy and getting us out of two wars is worse than the guy whose policies crashed our economy and got us into two wars? No, he is not the worst president. Congress passes the laws, the president just signs them.

However, if your argument was that this is the worst congress ever, you might be right. 


Couldn't.  Say.  It.  Better.

 

I mean holy frigging cow people have blinders over their eyes.  Every single thing the Obama has done has been counteracted by the republican led congress.  When he's out of office, the final word on Obama will probably be the biggest raped by congress president in the HISTORY of American politics.

Every little stupid soldier killing, economy destroying thing Bush wanted, he got.

Last word?  How's that search for weapons of mass destruction that Bush used to kill thousands and thousands of americans over going?  They still looking?  When did all those bailouts come?  About four months into Obama's term when he basically had to sit there signing cheques that were written by Bush.

Sigh.  At some point I wish some people would pull their heads out of their butts, step back and look at things from afar.  I don't even live in the United States so i'm totally disconnected and can sit and see the numbers side by side.  George Bush should be a a prison for the lies and what he did to your country.


Wow.  A lot of you guys are buying into Obama's "poor me" act.

 

What specifically has Congress blocked that would have made a difference?  Cap and Trade which would have raised energy prices during a bad economy?  I have seen so many parrot the White House line about obstruction over the years but no one has given even 1 specific example of what Congress has blocked that would have changed things.  You can't give good examples because Obama's plan is just to blame if things go wrong and take credit if things happen to go right.

Also....Obama's party had the House and the Senate for the 1st 2 years of his office and he had a super majority.   Even his own party voted against his proposed budget because it was terrible.  Now his party has the Senate and the opposing party has the House.  Poor Obama!  

Keep living in dreamland and keep pointing fingers at the imaginary boogeyman like your joke of a president does.

 

PS  Obama doesn't even try to work with Congress.  Even when the Sequester Deadline was looming he had not met with them for over 73 days in a row.

http://news.yahoo.com/73-days-later-everything-happened-since-obama-last-191207447.html

Some leader.



Kaizar said:
yo_john117 said:

So considering all the retarded and stupid stuff Obama has done; why do so many people think Bush was worse?

I don't know too much about past presidents so I can't say Obama is the worst but he definitely is the worst since the 80's

 

Oh and I feel I must say that quite a lot of the stuff that gets pinned on Obama and Bush was not their fault.


Ronald Reagan caused a Recession and so did Bush.

Bill Clinton created a surplus and so did Obama.

 

Ronald Reagan & Bush had the job market go down in their presidency.

Bill Clinton & Obama have the Job Market go up during their presidency.

 

Reagan & Bush had the housing market go down during their presidency.

Bill Clinton & Barack (Jewish Name) Obama (African Name) have the housing market go up during their presidency.

 

Lightning doesn't strike twice in running a country.


I hope you don't vote because you are clueless.

Obama never created a surplus. (More has been added to the deficit in his 4.5 years than under any president in history and he still has 3.5 years to go)

Clinton had a balanced budget for 2 years of his 8 year presidency.  Republicans in Congress forced Clinton to do so even though he was kicking and screaming. (In comparison Bush had 1 year out of 8 with a balanced budget....neither are really anything to brag about) 

Even Clinton 's 2 years of balanced budgets weren't really balanced because they raided Social Security (that is why Gore later made the "LockBox" promise)

When Clinton was leaving office a recession hit.  LIttle know fact because W. Bush didn't whine and complain about it.

 

Also....comparing Reagan to Obama......

 

Here are numbers.  They don't lie (like you)

Obama has added $5.5 trillion to the national debt in his 1st term  (Smashing every record by far....this is terrible)

By comparison Reagan added $1.35 trillion (inflation adjusted to 2011) over his first term while saving the American economy.

Reagan inherited a bigger mess than Obama but didn't point fingers and whine about it for 4 years while blaming his predecessor.


Inflation (that Reagan inherited)
13.5%

Inflation (that Obama inherited)
0.0%


Prime Bank Interest Rate Reagan inherited
18.5% - this is astronomical

Prime Bank Interest Rate Obama inherited
3.25%


GDP Growth (Previous Year): Reagan (inherited)
-0.27%

GDP Growth (Previous Year): Obama (inherited)
0.0%


Both inherited high unemployment.


The overall numbers that Reagan inherited (from Carter) were worse.





I hope you don't vote because you are clueless.

Obama never created a surplus. (More has been added to the deficit in his 4.5 years than under any president in history and he still has 3.5 years to go)

Clinton had a balanced budget for 2 years of his 8 year presidency.  Republicans in Congress forced Clinton to do so even though he was kicking and screaming. (In comparison Bush had 1 year out of 8 with a balanced budget....neither are really anything to brag about) 

Even Clinton 's 2 years of balanced budgets weren't really balanced because they raided Social Security (that is why Gore later made the "LockBox" promise)

When Clinton was leaving office a recession hit.  LIttle know fact because W. Bush didn't whine and complain about it.

 

Also....comparing Reagan to Obama......

 

Here are numbers.  They don't lie (like you)

Obama has added $5.5 trillion to the national debt in his 1st term  (Smashing every record by far....this is terrible)

By comparison Reagan added $1.35 trillion (inflation adjusted to 2011) over his first term while saving the American economy.

Reagan inherited a bigger mess than Obama but didn't point fingers and whine about it for 4 years while blaming his predecessor.


Inflation (that Reagan inherited)
13.5%

Inflation (that Obama inherited)
0.0%


Prime Bank Interest Rate Reagan inherited
18.5% - this is astronomical

Prime Bank Interest Rate Obama inherited
3.25%


GDP Growth (Previous Year): Reagan (inherited)
-0.27%

GDP Growth (Previous Year): Obama (inherited)
0.0%


Both inherited high unemployment.


The overall numbers that Reagan inherited (from Carter) were worse.


What did Carter inherited?



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Rofl at you criticizing legalizing pot which is long overdue should be national and is a goldmine but I'm assuming you're just another one who knows little to know nothing about it. Is Obama a shitty president? yes, is he the worst? far from it. Our debt is around thanks to Bush, Obama is making it worse but he didnt start it.



Horrorfest said:
Rofl at you criticizing legalizing pot which is long overdue should be national and is a goldmine but I'm assuming you're just another one who knows little to know nothing about it. Is Obama a shitty president? yes, is he the worst? far from it. Our debt is around thanks to Bush, Obama is making it worse but he didnt start it.


Bill Clinton is a more shitty president then Obama, and Bill Clinton is a great president.

Barack (Jewish name) Obama (Kenyan Name) has done much more better for recovery our country then Clinton ever did, but Clinton had it easy compare to Obama.

And Obama actually started to get some Health Care things done, while Bill Clinton gave up and sold out to the Health Insurance corporations.

Marijuana is more safer then Red Wine, and Wine is Legal, so yeah way over do since like the 1930's.

"Corporate Tobacco Cigarettes"appear to be more worse then smoking Heroine for crying out loud, and it will hopefully be made illegal some day because of the scientific comparison.

Under Bush we had 2 different national debts, one was 10 to 12 trillion dollars, and the other was 45 trillion dollars, which comes to a total of 55 to 57 trillion dollars of the combine total of the United States of America national debt when Obama came into office in January 2009.



Obama and Bush are equally bad. Obama is slightly more dangerous because he is adored. Both are obvious trailers to anyone who reads the bills they signed. They swear an oath to the constitution. Then put the black sharpie on it.



snyps said:
Obama and Bush are equally bad. Obama is slightly more dangerous because he is adored. Both are obvious trailers to anyone who reads the bills they signed. They swear an oath to the constitution. Then put the black sharpie on it.


Bush deregulates the stock market which causes every recession in America since the 1920's and Obama regulated the stock market which causes every recovery & surplus since the recovery from the republicans great recession of 1929. And Obama did the best regulations for minimum decline and maximum incline, which is why the stock market is already much above 14,500 and will probably be above 15,000 for an even more greater surplus economy before the end of this year.

After 12,000 it usually is a much slower incline in a surplus.



I just find it interesting that people say
"Bush was so terrible, look how he destroyed the country?"

Then in another breath say
"Its not Obama's fault, its the fault of Congress"

Which is it? Blaming Congress or Blaming the President? Hell, look at Clinton
"Clinton was a great president who got so much accomplished"

Oh ya, we forget he had a Republican Congress he was forced to work with.

Is Obama the worst ever? I highly doubt it and we cannot judge it until after he is finished. One thing is for sure though, he does not deserve the free passes he is given and Id rather just call him our "Campaigner in Chief". The government is more than just the president and should be held up as such. This is one terrible government, but it is terrible because of everyone involved.