I don't like involving the context of history since it's just a burden when trying to move forward. All I care about is what is technically equal, here and now.

You mean report?

The button is next to the quote button, lol.

No, that's not what i'm saying at all.  What i'm saying is.  People have had it worse then you... and you are downplaying what they went through.

There are Black people who went through everything you went through, except they went through it because they were black... and they didn't get jobs because they were black, and they were beaten, because they were black, and they were callled a slave because they were black and brought back to when they were slaves.

So yeah... it really ins't equatable, because you just don't have the same "bottom".  It's hard to hear, I know, but it's true.

And yeah... they do deserve more attention?  Why?  Because it happens to a LOT more people, there are a lot more black people, and women who go through the shit you did, then there are red heads, and it's a higher percentage of their population. 

These people were systematically discriminated against hundreds and hundreds of years.  The power differential just isn't remotely the same.

Not only that, this is something hardwired into people by people specifically in society.  So yeah, people get more upset... because there is a reason to get more upset.

It's like complaing that nobody is paying attention to one guys house gettng knocked down by a tornado but everyone is paying attention to a hurricane that devistated New Orelans.

It's not that nobody feels bad for the one guy.  It's just that the hurricane is a FAR more pressing concern.

You've got a probelm with people making jokes about being a ginger at work?  Go ahead and do something about it then.  I doubt many if anybody would particularly say you were being unreasonable. (at least not among people who find the above sexist)  Just that it isn't nearly as big of a concern as what happens to women or black people because the likelyhood it will offend and the level it will offend is of a much higher magnitude.

Edit: also seriously https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/ 

It will teach you something if you take it honestly.

People have had it worse than me? Yes. They have. I never said no one has had it worse than me. You mentioned numerous times (before I got involved) that white men shouldn't be offended when called names, etc, and that only women and black people had rights to that. That's what ticks me off. Other people in this thread are saying that no one should be discriminated against and hated towards. I appreciate those people. You were saying it is only a one-way road.

I have been hurt just as much as many women and black people from the way others have treated me for what I am physically. Does that mean many of them haven't had it worse? No, of course many have. But I *have* been descriminated against and had my emotions hurt for years. I lived in fear and hatred towards myself for what I was because I was unaccepted. And you're saying I shouldn't be offended, because I'm white. You're saying I'm not allowed to be as upset as those other people. You're saying it doesn't matter.

But we're saying that all descrimination should stop. Because it doesn't matter who you are, you can get your feelings hurt and no one has the right to display hatred towards you for your birth.

But you're just like all the other people who just keep saying "grow up, it's not a big deal" when I get hurt. You have no idea the pain I went through and you have no basis to say those people descriminating against me shouldn't be stopped. 

THEY SHOULD BE STOPPED.

Descrimination should be stopped. Across the board. Not just for women. Not just for blacks. For Asians too. For redheads too. For muslims too. For everyone.

AND IT IS A BIG DEAL FOR ANYONE WHO GETS HARRASED FOR WHO THEY ARE, REGARDLESS OF THEIR SKIN COLOR OR CHROMOSOME MAKEUP.

No, I said nobody should get offended over a nonsense term like cracker which has no real negative context to it outside stuff just kinda made up out of anger of black slurs... while white people still held power so it dosen't really matter.

Not that white men should never be offended about anything ever in their lives.

In otherwords, that "racism" towards white people and "Sexism" towards men, isn't the same as it is towards black people and women.  There is too big of a historical and power differential there, therefore some things are just going to be offensive to only the party that's been wronged more.

Basically every deragatory insult against white people as a race has nothing behind it because people have always been on top.

That's totally different from being insulted individual charactersitics that isn't about your race.  You weren't being insulted for being white.  You were insulted for having red hair.  Often by white people.

That's bad yeah, and no I wouldn't just tell you to "grow up" in that case.  However I would tell you that's still not equitable to being made fun of for your race.

A White person and Hispanic person can both be upset at being called lazy.  However lazy is a sterotype against hispanics.  So yeah, the hispanic person should be more mad... and people should be more mad about it.

If Someone calls you and a Hispanic dude both fat?  Yeah, you both have a reason to be equally angry.

Just because you weigh one more than the other, doesn't mean the lighter one shouldn't be stopped as well.

Correction: I was made fun of for my skin color and hair mainly by whites and latinos. 

Being made fun of for my pale skin and red hair is being made fun of my biological makeup, whether it is "race" or not. It's the same thing, even if, as you say, it isn't *quite* as bad given the more brutal history. It is still bad. And it still needs to be stopped.

I wasn't called lazy, or anything random. I was called direct stereotypes for what I was born as. Your "lazy" and "fat" arguments hold nothing here.

People should not be allowed to make fun of others and descriminate against them based on what that person was genetically born as and any stereotypes that come along with it.

Plain and simple.

Well, I for one don't have empathy for races or genders, but for people. In fact, I specifically strive to judge people by who they are rather than by these labels, not only because of how meaningless they are for anything other than pointing some biological differences, but also because I know what happens when you give them too much importance. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter whether we're talking about sexism, racism, religious discrimination or class warfare, or which group is favored over another... It's all the same. It's all about power, and using any excuse to get it. It's about discriminating people through these labels, generating resentment that wouldn't exist otherwise.

As long as people keep seeing things in terms of "teams" and keeping "score" of the offenses or gains, we'll never solve these issues. It's a never-ending, vicious circle. You can't solve discrimination with discrimination, just like you can't solve violence with violence. The only solution is to make these labels a non-issue. To not let them influence our judgement of these actions, as much as possible. And to let the past behind us by learning to not make the same mistakes, instead of making current generations carry the burden of those that came before them.

And I still don't know what makes the opinions of those women who aren't offended by this any less valid than those who do...

That's  kind of thinking has been tried before, and all it's led to is a rise in sexism, racism and antisemtism.  "Colorblind" policies that happen in uneven societies do nothing but maitnain the status quo and further

That you actually think your above judging people by their race and gender is a completely asinine statement.   Everyone is a product of their culture.  Everyone is sexist and racist.  Those who think they are above it are nothing more then people in denial of their own subconsious sexism and racism.  I'd suggest trying to honestly take the above harvard test I liked.

If you do take it honestly.  I imagine you'll be quite surprised.

No, but it does show why people pay a lot more attention to one then the other.  Which seems to be your complaint... which seems to be what your curious about.

Outside that... plenty of people are born with conditions that make them fat.  (or lazy for that matter.)

Like I said, what happened to you sucked.  It still doesn't compare though, it's not the context isn't quite there... it's that it's quite far from there.  What happened to these people in the past was very clear and very real dehumization right down to legally... built into society as a whole.

What happened to you was someone picking on you just because you were different... it didn't even have to deal with an "ideal male bodytype" just more how you stood out at the time compared other people there.  Were you in say ireland, or there were a few more people with the same skin tone, they'd of gone and picked on the short kid.

It sucks and i'm sure it could of sucked real hard... but it's not really the same  level as having the whole of society more or less structured to subconsiously hold you down because stereotypes about what you should be are programmed into everyones head subcounsiously... even best most tolerant person could be racist or sexist if they don't keep it in mind.  (Again, see harvard implicit results study.  Even Malcolm Gladwell, who is half black genetically, and identifies as black racially found that he ended up being unconsiously racist against black people.)

To say it's not *quite* the same is an understatement.

It's not like everyone in the world is subconsiously programmed to make fun of ginger people.  

If that were the case, and everytime someone made fun of you for it... you would of been in a hell of a lot more pain, no?  That's certaintly a pretty big weight on your shoulders at that point.  I think it's pretty obvious to see why someone would be extra sensitive about this stuff and why you would focus a lot more on not offending those people, since there is much stronger weight there. 

What Stereotypes even exist about someome being a "ginger".   The only thing that comes to mind is the South Park joke that they don't have souls.  (Legitamite question here... I'm actually curious.  Though that i have to ask is pretty telling in itself.)

Whatever bro, keep speaking in a demeaning way towards my situation. It's cool. All I keep reiterating is that people should be discouraged from harrassing towards someone just because of how they were born. No matter what gender, race, or issue. You, on the other hand, only seem to care about the biggest issue (blacks and women) and don't care about the other issues.

I understand the larger focus on those, but what you're displaying is an outright LACK of care for any of the other problems. What I keep seeing from you is "Blacks and women are the two biggest issues, nothing else matters for descrimination."

A lot of issues exist outside of black and women descrimination, yet those are the only two you care about because they are the biggest? Like I said in a previous post, grow your mind, man. Start caring about the bigger picture. Descrimination like such on all levels is bad and should be discouraged throughout our society. Yes, women and black descrimination needs to end. But so does a lot of other stuff. But you don't seem to care about that at all because you constantly just keep focusing on those two issues.

"It's not like everyone in the world is subconsiously programmed to make fun of ginger people.  "

Holy crap, wait, what? People are subconsciously programmed to hate on blacks and women? That's news to me. (If that's not what you're implying, then I don't see how it fit in your post at all).

As for descrimination against redheads, it primarily revolves around redheads being ugly, being white and unable to tan, and in general being freaks for their different natural hair color. I've gotten the soulless joke as well a number of times since that South Park episode, and even if it is baseless, it hurts when people say it and everyone laughs at you. Even if it's untrue.