If that makes you feel better, then no, you did not make that claim.

Have a good one.

Well, the PS3 and the 3DS proof, that momentum can be turned around. It is very difficult and expensive though. And you're wrong, if you say games have no effect. OK, you said exactly: 'The fact of the matter is, if you are relying on a game you will be sorely disappointed.' As you worded it, it is right. The PS3 was not saved by a single game, but the games (multiple) did it. So that's the option, you didn't mentioned: gameS are coming might change the momentum (not a single game). As I have no insight into the future, I have no idea if it will turn the fate for WiiU. We will see, I have a thread that helps to check it: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=152379

At the moment I hope Sony can apply the momentum-changing formula they used on PS3 for the Vita. That is the patient that needs some new therapy the most at the moment. I also have a thread to track success on this: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=153538

Hasn't the line for the Wii U been adjusted down since you posted it? Also, even multiple games didn't help the Ps3. It is a combo of games and price. The longer it's out without generating interest the harder it will be to turn it around. You list the Ps3 and 3ds but niether of them reached the lows the Wii U has had. I'm sure it will turn around but I don't think it will be as significant as Nintendo fans think it will be. Hopefully I'm wrong but I don't think the Wii U will even cross 20mil by next years end which is not good.

As for Vita I say it's too late and is a good indication of where the Wii U is headed if Nintendo doesn't get on it quickly.

There there multiple adjustments since I started the thread and I'm working them into the graphs. The last adjustment were lowering the sales of WiiU for 2013 (for Vita too) and adjusting up the sales of WiiU in 2012. The last part surprised me, as the launch-number of WiiU already were impressive. The adjustments together made the hard fall after the holidays even bigger.

Yes, PS3 and 3DS had never so bad sales as the Vita and the WiiU. Do you think there is a number, under that a recovery is impossible? That would be sad. And I don't think the WiiU will recover to domination either, I wasn't even expecting domination from the WiiU before it launched. Recovery for me means that the system (be it WiiU or Vita) reach sustainable levels.

lol we need to bring that chalk board back for this situation

No, we really don't.

There is only one way for Nintendo to turn things around for the Wii-U and that's coming up with a whole new franchise. A whole new universe, something that can rival Pokemon or even Mario.

This next gen will not look lie the last one. The casuals have new platforms, tablets, smartphones, etc... A new player in hardcore is entering the market with Steambox. The overall console market is shrinking (look at year over year sales numbers). Will nintendo win this time, who knows, they will have a head start in user base which will be significant (7 to 14 million or so) and a larger software library in the short term at least. Sony is offering a nice hardcore machine (with a minimal nod to backward compatibility). I look forward to seeing how MS is going to position themselves this time around (the leaked specs bring their backward compatibility into question as well but we will see when they actually announce).

Improving WiiU sales:

WiiU sales figures are bleak right now but overall have not been bad (still ahead of most console launches). the system is fun, I think it needs two things, system patches to iron out the load times and other annoyances, and games. A lot of systems will be chasing the big AAA titles, and I think that might be a loosing game for nintendo, they would be far better off to pursue a robust indie collection through digital distribution. there is a lot of great content out there that would add to the value of the machine with minimal porting. In addition they need to get the virtual console/wii support implemented and tidied up. Having to launch a wii menu to run them is just not good enough. How about gc/wii titles available for download, that is not a small catalogue of games? Before a price drop (which is likely I think) they should use the same ambassador program that worked with the 3DS. As well I'd like to see a few of sony/steam like online features implemented in miiverse (though I could care less about achievements and trophies).

Prediction for the next gen systems:
All next gen consoles will sell less than the PS3/360/Wii generation. It's a shrinking market with more competitors.

Chances are that this has already been said by someone, but I felt like saying it anyway.

Why are you comparing sales impact of Nintendo first-party games with a third-party multiplatform title for the PS3? Especially when you have the DS to compare with?

The DS was selling relatively poorly... until certain games released. It's quite well understood that it's what turned the DS from the second-place handheld to the massively popular platform that blew the competition away.

Beyond that, it's worth noting that it's not that sales will pick up because of one game alone. It's about the lineup as a whole, and the system having enough value in its lineup to justify the system purchase price. The Wii had the benefit of having a game at launch that was capable of selling the system on its own in large numbers. That's the exception, not the rule.

In the end, what will decide the fates of the systems in this generation, as with every generation, is the lineup that develops for them. Price cuts help by reducing the cost, thereby reducing the necessary lineup size, but the lineup is the key. It took the PS3 a long time to get to the necessary point, but once it got there, it started to sell a lot better. Same with 360, for that matter. That's why the Wii was able to blast away the competition early, but the others managed to strengthen later on.

this thread is great