mgs and gta were exclusive for years, and ps2 ushered in the dvd player........ times were different so you cant compare it. just because you and maybe others don't know what ur missing doesnt mean it needs a price drop to save it. it means u need to think outside ur black box.

xbox had games it didn't sell. Gamecube had games it didnt sell. N64 had games it didn't sell. Genesis had games it didn't sell. Dreamcast had games it didn't sell... Basic concept? lol

also re my convo with nintendo pie a few potst up

I see. Google it is. lol

Gamecube did have a much better launch window than the WIi U, though, didn't it?

Found it, with thnx to milkyjoe for posting it:

Or like Pachter said it:

''this is exactly how the wii would have sold wothout all those casuals buying it. this is whats happening to the wii u.''

So what type of new baseline do you see for the Wii U post price cut and games Max?

Wow. Practically identical. That is disheartening.

Let me ask you, why do you buy consoles? Is it to use the DVD/Bluy Ray player or to simply gaze at the awesome graphics?

Those consoles you listed would have even sold LESS had they not had their hits games. But the other thing is, most of even the hit games of those consoles were niche and had a limited appeal. In Sega's case, they all but destroyed their image and trust among their fans thanks to terrible marketting and cranking out way too much hardware.

With Nintendo, its games and franchises has a much larger following and appeal. Though they have regressed on this somewhat by returning to some more niche games like Pikmin. But we know that unlike the Gamecube days, they now have the potential to make a game that can become a sales phenomenon. Question is if they actaully will, which is doubtful.

I do agree that Wii U sales certainly aren't going to rise sigifcantly (the offputing gamepad is part of the reason it's doing poorly, and Nintendo obviously can't change that now), but it's pretty foolish to think that their sales are going to stay the way they are once they actually start getting some real games besides NSMB.

I would think ~100k would be the best it could hope for. 90k-110k. Which would be less than 10mil a year.

I also think it's funny because people are whining that I'm dooming Nintendo but I would say the exact same thing for the Vita. It's price drop would raise to 70k at best

I'm just curious, what kind of price cut are we talking about here? The Wii-U has a very expensive controller, and from what i understand Nintendo makes a slight loss on every Wii-U sold(and pressumably makes a profit after selling one game). It would have to drop to $199 probably to make a serious impact, but i don't think Nintendo will do that.

Also i think the PS4 announcement will boost Vita sales more than the price cut.

Yes, but there are a few important factors that differentiate WiiU from the Gamecube regarding a possible turnaround:

First, unlike the Cube which released against the Xbox and, more importantly, after the PS2 was already poised for success, the WiiU has a year's head-start on the competition. I will admit, however, that Nintendo has dramatically squandered that lead, but a few million console's sold already is still something.

Second, unlike the Cube, the WiiU has a unique controller that allows it to standout from the competition. Whether you like the Gamepad or not, some people will, and it still helps to distinguish WiiU as its own experience.

Lastly, and most importantly, unlike the Cube, WiiU is coming off of a hugely successful console, meaning that its big games such as Mario Kart, Smash Bros, 3D Mario and Zelda are likely to be more highly anticipated than they were on Gamecube.

Also worth noting when comparing the sales so far to the Gamecube's start is the fact that WiiU is $100/$150 more expensive in a worse economy, no less. And right now, the WiiU's current competition is much more alluring at a more affordable price. Come the launch of the new consoles, WiiU will certainly have price on its side.