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dsgrue3 on 11 February 2013
TheLastStarFighter said:
dsgrue3 2 minutes ago
TheLastStarFighter said:
Christianity isn't necessarily on much of a decline in America, but regular church goers are. Unaffiliated are generally unaffiliated Christian-type people. They don't have another faith, aren't Jedis and aren't agnostic or athiest. But they probably celebrate Christmas and Easter to some extent. There are also some quasi-muslims I know that fit this description. They generally believe in God or at least some sort of sprituality but don't like to spend their Sundays in church or want to give their money to the preacher or the pope.

As for how would the last Christian on earth feel if they were the only one? Probably sad. Or maybe they will laugh as everyone else burns in hell. Who knows, maybe they are a spiteful Christian.

Big difference between unaffiliated and Christian. Just because you don't go to church doesn't make you unaffiliated.

 

Big difference, but in the context of this poll, they are very likely similar.  Due to demographics, the vast majority of people answering that poll would be of Christian decent.  Because they are not answering agnostic, they have some religious leaning. They are likely non-church going somewhat spiritual people of Christian culture. This actually describes a very large number of the people I know.

If you're Christian, you respond as such. If you aren't affiliated with any particular religion, you respond as such - unaffiliated. Simple. 



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nightsurge on 11 February 2013

What the hell? I seriously want to see where you got this notion that Christians/religious folk don't believe in extinction???

I fail to see how anyone could not believe in extinction. If you kill off everything of a certain type, it's gone, obviously... lol...

Also, like any religion or belief, don't let the views of the loudest (often most wrong/extreme) individuals shape your view of all said believers. For instance, I know quite a large amount of Christians that see no mutual exclusivity between creationism and evolution. I see no reason, personally, why they can't co-exist either.



badgenome on 11 February 2013
pezus said:
I don't think so. NinPie will still be a young teenager when we're all old men and he is a Christian

Nah. He will kill himself when Nintendo goes third party next generation.



Dodece on 11 February 2013

@badgenome

Obviously you are a blessed individual. Seeing as you haven't stumbled upon any Creationists that are actually beyond something as mundane as crazy. Some in that community are so divorced from reality that they have sequestered, or walled themselves off utterly from anything that isn't literally not to be found in the Bible. They don't actively dispute or litigate the issue. They just don't even acknowledge that the issue exists, and don't tell me that I am ignorant on this subject, because I have met these people in real life, and I have talked to them.

To be honest I wouldn't care to talk to any of these people ever again in my life, because they are truly miserable, hostile, vicious people, and altogether terrifying. Thankfully they keep largely to themselves which is why you aren't likely to know much about them, but I can assure you that they are very real indeed. I had to work with one of these people, and even the Christians that worked with me gave the guy a wide berth, because he would go off with a full blown screaming tirade with like no provocation.

As for your second train of logic. Which is a advocacy for a foundational bias, and quite frankly it is just another really shallow attempt on your part to derail the subject. My reasoning for presenting a question isn't a justification for you trying to change the subject. Would you care to try again without any blowhard shenanigans, and actually take the time to answer my question.

I am starting to think that your only goal in posting here is to try to stymy others who want to discuss the topic in earnest. I think you probably feel so threatened by even the notion. That you will do just about anything to keep others from entertaining the thought. Stop trying to penalize me for your own cowardice. If you can't stomach the question, and outright have no intention of answering it then please by all means leave the thread.

I have posed the question twice, asked you nicely to stay on topic twice now, and I made it clear at the start what the proper response was to disputing the notion itself in my original post. If you aren't going to contribute to the real discussion then I am going to have to report you for derailing the thread.



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badgenome on 11 February 2013
Dodece said:

I am starting to think that your only goal in posting here is to try to stymy others who want to discuss the topic in earnest.

LOL. Yeah. Because this thread is just swarming with people who want to discuss your fantastical premise in exactly the very narrowly-defined way you are demanding that it be discussed, right? Oh, wait. Nope.

But yeah, fine, I'll take a swing at it: if this incredibly far-fetched scenario were to occur it wouldn't be ironic at all because the overwhelming majority of Christians actually believed in extinction all along.



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Trunkin on 11 February 2013
DanneSandin said:
I don't think we'll see the extinction of Christianity very soon - if ever. They'll survive as some odd cult at the very least. But if we're looking at what Christianity has become, none is true Christians any more. I mean, how many people are stoning gays? Or selling their daughters as slaves? Not a whole lot of them. So I'd call todays Christians for... Post-modern Christians; they have adopted a much more modern way of looking at things, or THEY would be the ones getting stoned...

But I'm glad to live in a world where more and more people are becoming Atheists - in no way can that be a bad sign of things to come. I just wish we'd see more of this also happening in the Middle East...


You're joking, right?



TheLastStarFighter on 11 February 2013
dsgrue3 1 hour ago
TheLastStarFighter said:
dsgrue3 2 minutes ago
TheLastStarFighter said:
Christianity isn't necessarily on much of a decline in America, but regular church goers are. Unaffiliated are generally unaffiliated Christian-type people. They don't have another faith, aren't Jedis and aren't agnostic or athiest. But they probably celebrate Christmas and Easter to some extent. There are also some quasi-muslims I know that fit this description. They generally believe in God or at least some sort of sprituality but don't like to spend their Sundays in church or want to give their money to the preacher or the pope.

As for how would the last Christian on earth feel if they were the only one? Probably sad. Or maybe they will laugh as everyone else burns in hell. Who knows, maybe they are a spiteful Christian.

Big difference between unaffiliated and Christian. Just because you don't go to church doesn't make you unaffiliated.

Big difference, but in the context of this poll, they are very likely similar. Due to demographics, the vast majority of people answering that poll would be of Christian decent. Because they are not answering agnostic, they have some religious leaning. They are likely non-church going somewhat spiritual people of Christian culture. This actually describes a very large number of the people I know.

If you're Christian, you respond as such. If you aren't affiliated with any particular religion, you respond as such - unaffiliated. Simple.

It would only be that simple if we were computers. We're not.  To understand human response you need context.  You are atheist so you view it in a non-Christian way.  For most people in the US, they are of Christian background.  When you ask them are they Catholic, Protestant (various options), Islamic, Jewish, other, unclassified, agnostic or atheist, they are answering as in unclassified Christian.  Because the options given include agnostic, atheist and other, we can assume they are none of those things.  Because they are given multiple classes of Christian, unclassified would be unclassified Christian.  You need to remove your own atheistic viewpoint and think in terms of the people answering the question.



Dodece on 11 February 2013

@badgenome

No it would be ironic, because they would have fallen victim to a evolutionary process. Which is something that a great many of them don't believe actually happens. As for the question it isn't particularly narrow given that it is a pretty basic what if scenario. A analogy would be me asking the question what would happen if you got up for work tomorrow, and found out that your car was gone. You don't need to discuss how likely that is to happen. What you should be discussing is how that would effect you or your world view if that were to happen.

Look I am just asking how do you think people would react if they found themselves in that predicament. Which is something that actually happens a lot in this world. People lose their communities all of the time through wars, disasters, economic recessions, and persecution. All I want to know is how you think people would cope with the situation if it happens. How do you think they will feel. Will they become less fervent, lose their faith entirely, or will they react negatively to the world and other people.



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dsgrue3 on 11 February 2013
TheLastStarFighter said:

"If you're Christian, you respond as such. If you aren't affiliated with any particular religion, you respond as such - unaffiliated. Simple." dsgrue3 

It would only be that simple if we were computers. We're not.  To understand human response you need context.  You are atheist so you view it in a non-Christian way.  For most people in the US, they are of Christian background.  When you ask them are they Catholic, Protestant (various options), Islamic, Jewish, other, unclassified, agnostic or atheist, they are answering as in unclassified Christian.  Because the options given include agnostic, atheist and other, we can assume they are none of those things.  Because they are given multiple classes of Christian, unclassified would be unclassified Christian.  You need to remove your own atheistic viewpoint and think in terms of the people answering the question.


It is that simple. To anyone logical. If the question removed atheism/agnosticism and simply put "other" you wouldn't see any atheists/agnostics choose Christian/Muslim/Judaism whatever.

The ones that chose unaffiliated simply are not affiliated - they are NONE of the religions/non-religions. Meaning, they have their own belief, be it God, Nature, whatever. It really doesn't matter. Don't mistake Christianity for the belief in a God - it simply isn't, that's a very particular sect with a very particular set of beliefs that govern it. 

To put it simply, it's most likely a belief in a God, but that's it. No rules and shit. Agree?



TheLastStarFighter on 11 February 2013
dsgrue3 2 minutes ago
TheLastStarFighter said:

"If you're Christian, you respond as such. If you aren't affiliated with any particular religion, you respond as such - unaffiliated. Simple." dsgrue3

It would only be that simple if we were computers. We're not. To understand human response you need context. You are atheist so you view it in a non-Christian way. For most people in the US, they are of Christian background. When you ask them are they Catholic, Protestant (various options), Islamic, Jewish, other, unclassified, agnostic or atheist, they are answering as in unclassified Christian. Because the options given include agnostic, atheist and other, we can assume they are none of those things. Because they are given multiple classes of Christian, unclassified would be unclassified Christian. You need to remove your own atheistic viewpoint and think in terms of the people answering the question.


It is that simple. To anyone logical. If the question removed atheism/agnosticism and simply put "other" you wouldn't see any atheists/agnostics choose Christian/Muslim/Judaism whatever.

The ones that chose unaffiliated simply are not affiliated - they are NONE of the religions/non-religions. Meaning, they have their own belief, be it God, Nature, whatever. It really doesn't matter. Don't mistake Christianity for the belief in a God - it simply isn't, that's a very particular sect with a very particular set of beliefs that govern it.

To put it simply, it's most likely a belief in a God, but that's it. No rules and shit. Agree?

 

Quite possibly.  I would still argue that it is, most likely given that it is a poll of the US, a belief in some kind of Christian-influenced God without the structure of organized religion.  The stats number support this, as the "unclassified" grows as classified Christians shrink. But yes, I think we mostly agree.