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It's a communal thing - Christians are drawn to places where there are more Christians, atheists to places that have more atheists. No one religion or lack thereof is really changing in numbers, they're just self-segregating. There is a massive Christian community not far from me, and is swelling in numbers.

Yet, if you read Revelations in the bible, it actually does state that the world in the end times would be against God, and those with faith would be dramatically outnumbered and be oppressed or forced to denounce their faith through the equivalent of what we would call "peer pressure". So the OP does actually ponder what is discussed in Revelations, which details not only the extinction of Christianity, but mankind as a whole.



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thranx said:

"Question wording: What is your present faith, if any? Are yopu Pretestant, Roman Catholic, Mormom, Orthodox such as Greek or Russian Orthodox, Jewsish, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, athiest, agnostic, something else, or nothing in particular?" Not once does it mention Christian. With wording like that people were probably confused. Many people who believe in Christ do not belong to one of those churches, and whith out saying Christian in there(i wonder why they didn't) they may have chose the wrong option. So its not a great info, and may not be accurate. Can't read? they list their question right there?

If I ask what your faith is, what do you say?

If I ask your race and omit yours do you choose another?

I think you need to face reality here. Christianity is fading fast.



dsgrue3 said:
thranx said:

"Question wording: What is your present faith, if any? Are yopu Pretestant, Roman Catholic, Mormom, Orthodox such as Greek or Russian Orthodox, Jewsish, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, athiest, agnostic, something else, or nothing in particular?" Not once does it mention Christian. With wording like that people were probably confused. Many people who believe in Christ do not belong to one of those churches, and whith out saying Christian in there(i wonder why they didn't) they may have chose the wrong option. So its not a great info, and may not be accurate. Can't read? they list their question right there?

If I ask what your faith is, what do you say?

If I ask your race and omit yours do you choose another?

I think you need to face reality here. Christianity is fading fast.

I appen to know what every word in that question means. Most people do not. Ask some people what agnostic means and they probably cant tell you. On top of that they may not have known it was asking just for beliefe in christ as it very clearly listed organized religion. All i am saying is that it is not that accurate. With out knowing more about the study, who was called I call into questiion its accuracy. I will admit that organized christianty in the us is on the decline, but i think it has mroe to do with people loosing faith in their churches than loosing their faith all together.



thranx said:
dsgrue3 said:
thranx said:

"Question wording: What is your present faith, if any? Are yopu Pretestant, Roman Catholic, Mormom, Orthodox such as Greek or Russian Orthodox, Jewsish, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, athiest, agnostic, something else, or nothing in particular?" Not once does it mention Christian. With wording like that people were probably confused. Many people who believe in Christ do not belong to one of those churches, and whith out saying Christian in there(i wonder why they didn't) they may have chose the wrong option. So its not a great info, and may not be accurate. Can't read? they list their question right there?

If I ask what your faith is, what do you say?

If I ask your race and omit yours do you choose another?

I think you need to face reality here. Christianity is fading fast.

I appen to know what every word in that question means. Most people do not. Ask some people what agnostic means and they probably cant tell you. On top of that they may not have known it was asking just for beliefe in christ as it very clearly listed organized religion. All i am saying is that it is not that accurate. With out knowing more about the study, who was called I call into questiion its accuracy. I will admit that organized christianty in the us is on the decline, but i think it has mroe to do with people loosing faith in their churches than loosing their faith all together.

Well look at the rest of the data - where did the 5% go? Well, look at what has risen in the past 5 years - unaffiliated 4.3% growth, other religion - 2%,  agnostic - 1.2%, atheist 0.8%. If you do not identify with a church, you will not answer unaffiliated. Unaffiliated would be some theistic belief that isn't identified by any church.

Let's go back to your point about not listing Christanity - the question remained the same for each year, so it wouldn't matter anyway. 



@badgenome

Perhaps you need to revisit my original post. I wasn't referencing a global phenomena, but a local phenomena for some in this community. Believe it or not people who post here don't all live in the same place. That is what I meant when I referred to our neck of the woods. My first reply to you highlighted the fact that in a great many places that were predominantly Christian at one point. The religion has seen a very steep decline. For people in those places what I suggested may come to pass within twenty to thirty years.

I am not going to argue against your particular brand of Creationism. You sure don't own the subject entirely all to yourself. The reality is that a great many Creationists don't acknowledge the fossil record at all, and often dispute the authenticity of the fossils themselves. Some openly stating that they were planted by Satan or by Atheists to discredit the Bible. Look it seems asinine to me as well, but we can't just ignore the fact that a large cross section of the Creationist community buys into that hogwash so much so that they release literature, and build museums to support their notions.

For someone who obviously has problems with reading comprehension you probably don't have room to talk on the subject of free thinking, because you haven't even entertained the subject of the thread, and yes that makes you off topic. Which is what I asked posters not to do, because this isn't a Atheism/Agnosticism/Deism verse Christianity debate I was putting forth. I asked a pretty simple question, and if you didn't want to address it you should have done as I suggested by creating a thread of your own instead of derailing mine.

For the purposes of reiteration which I ought not have to do being that we are on page one. I asked a fairly simple question. Which was if Christianity declines to near extinction levels in a community. What effect do you expect that would have on the faithful, or if you want to contemplate otherwise on the faith itself. How would you feel as a Christian if you ended up being the last Christian where you lived. With no Church to go to, and with nobody to be a Christian with.

I understand if you might be afraid to dwell on that particular idea, but it is never the less a good idea for a good discussion. I don't want to revisit the same well trodden ground. I want to discuss how such a scenario would effect people that might have to live through such a transition. This set of circumstances has happened before, and it has happened to Christian sects both in the past, and in the modern day.

So do you actually intend to contribute, or do you intend to just keep derailing the subject.



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http://revivalmedia.org/2012/02/24/the-rise-of-christianity-in-africa-310-report-15/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14838749

http://www.blackchristiannews.com/news/2011/10/christianity-on-the-rise-in-asia-africa-and-latin-america.html

http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/churchandministry/Colson_Church_Denmark.aspx

http://www.lsa.umich.edu/psych/news/department/news/?id=455



Christianity isn't necessarily on much of a decline in America, but regular church goers are. Unaffiliated are generally unaffiliated Christian-type people. They don't have another faith, aren't Jedis and aren't agnostic or athiest. But they probably celebrate Christmas and Easter to some extent. There are also some quasi-muslims I know that fit this description. They generally believe in God or at least some sort of sprituality but don't like to spend their Sundays in church or want to give their money to the preacher or the pope.

As for how would the last Christian on earth feel if they were the only one? Probably sad. Or maybe they will laugh as everyone else burns in hell. Who knows, maybe they are a spiteful Christian.



Dodece said:

I am not going to argue against your particular brand of Creationism. You sure don't own the subject entirely all to yourself. The reality is that a great many Creationists don't acknowledge the fossil record at all, and often dispute the authenticity of the fossils themselves. Some openly stating that they were planted by Satan or by Atheists to discredit the Bible. Look it seems asinine to me as well, but we can't just ignore the fact that a large cross section of the Creationist community buys into that hogwash so much so that they release literature, and build museums to support their notions.

Only, you know, even the most bugfuck nutty creationists acknowledge the fact that there were dinosaurs but they aren't here anymore. Thus they acknowledge the phenomenon of extinction. They just believe that they died out a few thousand years ago rather than millions and millions of years ago, either as a result of the flood or overhunting. So to say that creationists don't believe in extinction is an astounding display of ignorance on the subject. Creation "science" doesn't warrant a whole lot of respect, IMO, but it at least deserves to be attacked for what it is and not the caricature you're making of it.

And the "they had it coming" part of the title kind of says it all, doesn't it? It's not that there's really a trend that points to any looming extinction of Christianity. It's just that it's something you're eager to see happen in your lifetime. Even with some degree of natural self-segregation into more religious communities and less religious ones, it won't. Oh, well. Too bad. But on the bright side, at least you'll always have Christians to look down your nose at, eh?



TheLastStarFighter said:
Christianity isn't necessarily on much of a decline in America, but regular church goers are. Unaffiliated are generally unaffiliated Christian-type people. They don't have another faith, aren't Jedis and aren't agnostic or athiest. But they probably celebrate Christmas and Easter to some extent. There are also some quasi-muslims I know that fit this description. They generally believe in God or at least some sort of sprituality but don't like to spend their Sundays in church or want to give their money to the preacher or the pope.

As for how would the last Christian on earth feel if they were the only one? Probably sad. Or maybe they will laugh as everyone else burns in hell. Who knows, maybe they are a spiteful Christian.

Big difference between unaffiliated and Christian. Just because you don't go to church doesn't make you unaffiliated.



dsgrue3 2 minutes ago
TheLastStarFighter said:
Christianity isn't necessarily on much of a decline in America, but regular church goers are. Unaffiliated are generally unaffiliated Christian-type people. They don't have another faith, aren't Jedis and aren't agnostic or athiest. But they probably celebrate Christmas and Easter to some extent. There are also some quasi-muslims I know that fit this description. They generally believe in God or at least some sort of sprituality but don't like to spend their Sundays in church or want to give their money to the preacher or the pope.

As for how would the last Christian on earth feel if they were the only one? Probably sad. Or maybe they will laugh as everyone else burns in hell. Who knows, maybe they are a spiteful Christian.

Big difference between unaffiliated and Christian. Just because you don't go to church doesn't make you unaffiliated.

 

Big difference, but in the context of this poll, they are very likely similar.  Due to demographics, the vast majority of people answering that poll would be of Christian decent.  Because they are not answering agnostic, they have some religious leaning. They are likely non-church going somewhat spiritual people of Christian culture. This actually describes a very large number of the people I know.