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happydolphin said:
xwan said:
Just had to reply one last time, I am not sure why you are calling my mom a whore. I am just pointing out to you that I do not believe woman can give birth to a boy without getting inseminated with sperm; i used the layman's term of 'creampie'. It has nothing to do with Virgin Mary being a whore, it just has to do with the truth that I think she had sex with someone and gave birth to Jesus. How come only Bible people can believe that Virgin Mary is a Virgin but I cannot believe that she's not a Virgin? How is this civilized, being civilized means you can express whatever opinions you like and not get blown up in like you do in the Middle East. I am being intelligent because i have not seen or read about a single virgin birth in modern medicine.

What you have not seen is not untrue or impossible. This is the same fallacy we had to go over in the other thread.

I never called your mom a whore... I was saying that using that statement would be uncivil.

You can't say whatever you want, if it's uncivil, it's uncivil. Whether you get bombed for it or not, it doesn't change the fact that it's uncivil.

You can believe whatever you want, but you should be careful how you say things so as to not offend. If we were talking about how you were born, and I said that your mom got creampied, that wouldn't be respectful.

"you can't say whatever you want, if it's uncivil, its uncivil" - I can say whatever I want. I think you are being uncivil that you are trying to tell others they can't express their opinions. Yah your mom got creampied too for u to be born, so did everyone's mom on this forum. You may not want to imagine that mental picture (don't do it), but it's the truth.

Yes yes, what i have not seem yet may not be untrue, that I agreed with you, but base on the law of gravity, splitting the red sea in half with current scientific knoweldge is "Improbable"; therefore I do not believe it is a true story.  Perfectly intelligent comment, perfectly logical deduction. On the other hands, just believing in something that "maybe" true but most likely NOT TRUE based on what we know is probably not a very logical decision.



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happydolphin said:
xwan said:
I read that dinosaur tissue thing real quick; did u even read the freaking article? It doesn't say we co-existed it's a way they prepare the fossilized tissue that led to the discovery of preserved arteries and muscle tissues that has not mineralized in the fossil's interior... It doesn't proof anything, dont mislead ppl please. Earliest homo sapien records (molecular and fossils) is not even 5 million years old...(not to mention the invention of tools and writing and language)

I read the article a few times, and it doesn't matter how it's interpreted by people, the fact is that non-decomposed tissue has been found, and I didn't say anything false. The picture was taken as-is from the article.

I know what will be said about it, but the fact is that the tissue is not decomposed, so I have reason to believe that humans and dinos walked the earth together. The stories of dragons only amplifies this belief.

What??? "Un-decomposed tissue found by submerging fossils in acid, which no other scientist has done before" = "Human and dinos walked the earth together"? Those two things do not equate, now that's a huge logic problem.



xwan said:

"you can't say whatever you want, if it's uncivil, its uncivil" - I can say whatever I want. I think you are being uncivil that you are trying to tell others they can't express their opinions. Yah your mom got creampied too for u to be born, so did everyone's mom on this forum. You may not want to imagine that mental picture (don't do it), but it's the truth.

Yes yes, what i have not seem yet may not be untrue, that I agreed with you, but base on the law of gravity, splitting the red sea in half with current scientific knoweldge is "Improbable"; therefore I do not believe it is a true story.  Perfectly intelligent comment, perfectly logical deduction. On the other hands, just believing in something that "maybe" true but most likely NOT TRUE based on what we know is probably not a very logical decision.

I can't help the first para. If I was going about saying racist comments, I technically could say whatever I liked, it doesn't make it civil or honorable. If you can't make that distinction, I'm sorry it can't be helped.

It's not logical in  general, I can understand that. But when you compound the history of christianity, the historicity of Christ, the mention of dinosaurs in the bible, the bias in the scientific community regarding dating, and the growing anti-christian sentiment in today's society, compounded with the depth of the christian religion (if you took the time to read it, it has nothing selfish in it, no not even control, since the bible is anti-control there are many verses on this), I see absolutely not why the bible is wrong.

The only ultimate question left for the believer is "are miracles a reality"? Once you come to the possibility of this whole universe being made by God himself, miracles become a no-brainer.



xwan said:

What??? "Un-decomposed tissue found by submerging fossils in acid, which no other scientist has done before" = "Human and dinos walked the earth together"? Those two things do not equate, now that's a huge logic problem.

As I said, it hasn't decomposed. That's all that matters.

"After all, as any textbook will tell you, when an animal dies, soft tissues such as blood vessels, muscle and skin decay and disappear over time, while hard tissues like bone may gradually acquire minerals from the environment and become fossils. Schweitzer, one of the first scientists to use the tools of modern cell biology to study dinosaurs, has upended the conventional wisdom by showing that some rock-hard fossils tens of millions of years old may have remnants of soft tissues hidden away in their interiors."

Maybe that's because it isn't tens of millions of years old, just maybe?

Continued from the article, her testimonial of the first sighting:

“I looked at this and I looked at this and I thought, this can’t be. Red blood cells don’t preserve.”



@xwan "but base on the law of gravity, splitting the red sea in half with current scientific knoweldge is "Improbable"; therefore I do not believe it is a true story."

i will never understand this kind of thinking..are saying that scientists who are "humans" and make mistakes are probably always right ? is that even logical believing in the so called scientific facts so much that you cant imagine another scenario ..I know its closest to the truth but still...i true scientist does not make such things and therefore he sees much more...as einstein would say "imagination is more important then knowledge"



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Its ok to discriminate as long as you don't act on it. It's ok for grandma to say she hates black people, as long as she doesn't act on it and go lynch a black man on a pole she's ok. By the same token, on one hand, there is religious tolerance, which means anyone can believe whatever they want. I am an atheist, so I believe there is no god and i think all bibles, all religions are bullshit, you need to respect that and you seem to be unable to do that by constantly trying to use "weak evidence" or actually no evidence so far, to proof that point.

Most religion serves one purpose, and it's to tell people they should be a good person. But I am already a good person to being with, i told by my teacher to not hit other kids, and to give to others and do good things because it is the "RIGHT" thing to do. I don't need some over-arching power to tell me that i will go to heaven only if i do good deed and believe in Him. I transcend that level, in true sense of humanity, you should do good for others not because of religion or some religious teaching, you are doing this because you believe that it is the "right" thing to do, because you want to be altruistic, because it makes you feel good. In that sense, being an athethist is probably the hardest core of all "religion" or "way of life" because if I am wrong i may go to Hell. On the other hand, if you believe the Bible, you can be a rapists, a terrorist, but just right before you die, you tell Him you are sorry and boom, you go heaven. What a load of crap in my honest opinion. (not that i believe in after life anyways, but that concept bothers me alot).



dsgrue3 said:
lulz, Khan brings up a valid point and then some guy quotes him only to respond with an invalid one. Classic. The displacement is what the experiment shows, dude. The volume of that ice is equal to the volume of its water when melted. Thus, you will never overflow. Conservation of energy.

Water + Ice = Displacement

Displacement = volume of ice

volume of ice = volume of melted ice

Get it?

If you don't actually know your physics, please don't make out as though you do.

First of all, there's no conservation of energy argument in this situation, because energy isn't being conserved within the system being looked at - there is energy flow into the ice and water from the surrounding air (which isn't being treated as part of the system) in the form of heat.

Second of all, water and ice don't have identical densities. The reason why that experiment works is called buoyancy - the ice is floating in the water because it is less dense, and the volume displaced is equal to the volume that an equal mass of water would have (this is Archimedes' principle). Therefore, when the ice melts, it turns to water, and fills exactly that amount of volume.

Water is not of constant density. Here's a plot of water density relative to temperature at 1 atmosphere:

The density reaches a maximum at approximately 4 degrees celsius. It then decreases. Note the vertical scale - it drops from about 1000 g/L (or kg/m^3 - two expressions of the same actual unit) to 960 g/L within 100 C. So as a simple approximation, a 2 C increase would reduce the density by somewhere around 0.4 g/L, or 0.04%. Doesn't sound like much, right? But it's a lot more than you think.

Estimates of the total water mass of all of the oceans is roughly 1.37 × 10^21 kg. If we pretend that all of the water is at a temperature such that 1000 g/L (note: we're simplifying everything anyway, since the pressure of water deep under the surface will be much higher, and the temperature lower, so the above graph isn't quite accurate for that situation), then that would be a volume of 1.37 × 10^18 m^3. A 2 degree increase in temperature would produce a volume increase to 1.37055 × 10^18 m^3, an increase of 5.5 × 10^14 m^3. The radius of the earth is 6371 km, and thus the surface area is approximately 5.1*10^14 m^2. As such, the increase in water volume would produce a little over a metre of sea level raise, just due to the 2 C increase in temperature.

In reality, I'd expect the impact to be somewhat smaller than this - perhaps half a metre, perhaps a tenth of a metre - but considering that the entire sea level rise so far has been just under 20 cm, and is already causing problems, you can't dismiss volume increase due to temperature increase.

Anyway, this is why knowledge of mathematics and physics is so important if you want to comment on something like this.



kljesta64 said:
@xwan "but base on the law of gravity, splitting the red sea in half with current scientific knoweldge is "Improbable"; therefore I do not believe it is a true story."

i will never understand this kind of thinking..are saying that scientists who are "humans" and make mistakes are probably always right ? is that even logical believing in the so called scientific facts so much that you cant imagine another scenario ..I know its closest to the truth but still...i true scientist does not make such things and therefore he sees much more...as einstein would say "imagination is more important then knowledge"



But you need to go off of something though; if you free style everything, what do you even use as the basis of understanding the physical world? or should everything be meta-physical? Even Einstein had to based his genius scientific invention on already existing concepts like velocity and time right? If you just believe in wild stories, you may as well live in fantasy land. Which you can do if you want to. Split the ocean in half, the only possible explanation is some sort of magical power he has, but I do not accept that because that would make everything else irrelevant in the real world. Just like the guy above said the key is if we still believe in miracle. I do not, but you may, which is fine.



xwan said:
Its ok to discriminate as long as you don't act on it. It's ok for grandma to say she hates black people, as long as she doesn't act on it and go lynch a black man on a pole she's ok. By the same token, on one hand, there is religious tolerance, which means anyone can believe whatever they want. I am an atheist, so I believe there is no god and i think all bibles, all religions are bullshit, you need to respect that and you seem to be unable to do that by constantly trying to use "weak evidence" or actually no evidence so far, to proof that point. 

No, you're wrong, and you're wrong for a reason. You want to stick me. No, no, no, the truth is that  you said that Dinos didn't co-exist with humans as a reason to doubt, I gave you answers. Go back to the start and you will see that you are either a liar, or that you are unconciously lying.

Also, saying racist things is not acceptable in an honorable society imho.

Most religion serves one purpose, and it's to tell people they should be a good person. But I am already a good person to being with, i told by my teacher to not hit other kids, and to give to others and do good things because it is the "RIGHT" thing to do. I don't need some over-arching power to tell me that i will go to heaven only if i do good deed and believe in Him. I transcend that level, in true sense of humanity, you should do good for others not because of religion or some religious teaching, you are doing this because you believe that it is the "right" thing to do, because you want to be altruistic, because it makes you feel good. In that sense, being an athethist is probably the hardest core of all "religion" or "way of life" because if I am wrong i may go to Hell. On the other hand, if you believe the Bible, you can be a rapists, a terrorist, but just right before you die, you tell Him you are sorry and boom, you go heaven. What a load of crap in my honest opinion. (not that i believe in after life anyways, but that concept bothers me alot).

If it took a teacher to tell you not to hit other kids, why wouldn't a sage be just as resourceful? So your double-standard could satisfy an imbecil, but I am not one.

Whether you go to heaven or not, from a Christian standpoint, you'll realize it has nothing to do with deeds. But you don't know the religion so you judge it on your lack of knowledge. Learn first, then judge. Salvation in christianity is a gift, it is not based on good deeds.

Ephesians 2:8

8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

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As for being saved before you die, that's the whole idea behind the faith, in that even if you were guilty of the most horrifying sins, that God could FORGIVE you. That's the point. As for sinning because you'll be saved anyways, the bible is against that... again learn.

Romans 6: 15

15What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! 16Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted. 18You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.



Aielyn said:
dsgrue3 said:
lulz, Khan brings up a valid point and then some guy quotes him only to respond with an invalid one. Classic. The displacement is what the experiment shows, dude. The volume of that ice is equal to the volume of its water when melted. Thus, you will never overflow. Conservation of energy.

Water + Ice = Displacement

Displacement = volume of ice

volume of ice = volume of melted ice

Get it?

If you don't actually know your physics, please don't make out as though you do.

First of all, there's no conservation of energy argument in this situation, because energy isn't being conserved within the system being looked at - there is energy flow into the ice and water from the surrounding air (which isn't being treated as part of the system) in the form of heat.

Second of all, water and ice don't have identical densities. The reason why that experiment works is called buoyancy - the ice is floating in the water because it is less dense, and the volume displaced is equal to the volume that an equal mass of water would have (this is Archimedes' principle). Therefore, when the ice melts, it turns to water, and fills exactly that amount of volume.

Water is not of constant density. Here's a plot of water density relative to temperature at 1 atmosphere:

The density reaches a maximum at approximately 4 degrees celsius. It then decreases. Note the vertical scale - it drops from about 1000 g/L (or kg/m^3 - two expressions of the same actual unit) to 960 g/L within 100 C. So as a simple approximation, a 2 C increase would reduce the density by somewhere around 0.4 g/L, or 0.04%. Doesn't sound like much, right? But it's a lot more than you think.

Estimates of the total water mass of all of the oceans is roughly 1.37 × 10^21 kg. If we pretend that all of the water is at a temperature such that 1000 g/L (note: we're simplifying everything anyway, since the pressure of water deep under the surface will be much higher, and the temperature lower, so the above graph isn't quite accurate for that situation), then that would be a volume of 1.37 × 10^18 m^3. A 2 degree increase in temperature would produce a volume increase to 1.37055 × 10^18 m^3, an increase of 5.5 × 10^14 m^3. The radius of the earth is 6371 km, and thus the surface area is approximately 5.1*10^14 m^2. As such, the increase in water volume would produce a little over a metre of sea level raise, just due to the 2 C increase in temperature.

In reality, I'd expect the impact to be somewhat smaller than this - perhaps half a metre, perhaps a tenth of a metre - but considering that the entire sea level rise so far has been just under 20 cm, and is already causing problems, you can't dismiss volume increase due to temperature increase.

Anyway, this is why knowledge of mathematics and physics is so important if you want to comment on something like this.


ALso, i thinkn what that ice cup experiment does NOT demonstrates are all the ice that are on top of mountain that are frozen all year long. Those will run off and flood surrounding areas too!