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Max King of the Wild on 20 January 2013
Mr Khan said:
Max King of the Wild said:
yes, because all 100 mil of you havent upgraded... if you Wii owners weren't so hesitant on getting the Wii U the developers wouldn't be hesitant in making the games.

But developers didn't bother making games for the 100 million in the first place.


Hmmm.... errr..... aaaaaa..... good point



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oniyide on 20 January 2013
Mr Khan said:
oniyide said:
Carl2291 said:
Ive always put a 2-way blame on it.

Firstly, Nintendo. The way they advertised the Wii. The games they released for that audience. The focus from Nintendo was 80% on the new casual market. Mums, little girls, grandmas and grandads. The market for these games exploded, and a cheap crappy game could sell a Million. Which leads me to...

Secondly, Third Parties. They saw the Wii as a profit machine to fuel the big HD Blockbuster titles on PS360. A little party game could sell 100k units and make a tidy profit, so when they see games like Carnival Games hitting big milestones then the choice becomes obvious. They were blind to efforts like the RE4 port, and let the Wii have spinoff titles instead of the serious big titles, again due to the profits.

The consumer cant really be blamed, because the Wii consumer bought games. Lots of games. Its just the type of games they bought werent necessarily the blockbuster... They were the preschool party game.

Its a double edged sword. With huge success they also segregated a huge part of the market.

I agree with everything but the bolded. THey were not blind, they just didnt care. Games like RE are still way more expensive to produce than something like Just Dance, HD or not. And the JD game would sell way more. Simple math, which game would you rather make for Wii, it wont be RE. They didnt get big titles because the damn Wii couldnt run them, its that simple. No wonder you never saw a AC game for Wii but a butt load of JD games. There not gonna spend money to downgrade a game on Wii knowing that most people are just going to get the PS360/pc version anyway, it would just be a waste of money.  And i wish people stop using RE4 as some shining example, its not. It was a BUDGET port released early in the systems life. It was just Capcom trying to squeeze more money out of the game, it wasnt even like it was the best selling version.

But it showed the market was there. They could have made Resident Evil: Revelations (for instance) for the Wii, and it probably would have sold better than the 3DS game. The market is clearly there, and people like that experience better on a console; ergo, more money for Capcom.

RE4 proved that an audience was there, which was the point of Carl's post.

RE4 didnt prove anything, again it was BUDGET game released early on in the console's life, how well would it have done had it been full price. And ill see your RE4 and raise you a No More Heroes, Madworld, Conduit, etc. There are alot less success stories out there. Just for the sake of argument lets say there was an audience, that audience still isnt as big as the one on HDs and not even close to the Dance, exercise demographic on WIi, and that is my point. Why a smaller market when you can support a bigger one? And cheaper at that?



oniyide on 20 January 2013
Mr Khan said:
Max King of the Wild said:
yes, because all 100 mil of you havent upgraded... if you Wii owners weren't so hesitant on getting the Wii U the developers wouldn't be hesitant in making the games.

But developers didn't bother making games for the 100 million in the first place.


Sure they did, more games were made for it than either PS3 or 360, fact. They might not have been the games you wanted to play, but hey thats kind of your problem.



unmannedrobot on 20 January 2013

Seems many critics are still blind. Personally , I buy nintendo consoles to play , guest what ....



Mr Khan on 20 January 2013
oniyide said:
Mr Khan said:
Max King of the Wild said:
yes, because all 100 mil of you havent upgraded... if you Wii owners weren't so hesitant on getting the Wii U the developers wouldn't be hesitant in making the games.

But developers didn't bother making games for the 100 million in the first place.


Sure they did, more games were made for it than either PS3 or 360, fact. They might not have been the games you wanted to play, but hey thats kind of your problem.

Its kind of their problem. We're here, and we've proven that we buy games that aren't niche or shit (which is where your No More Heroes, Conduit, Madworld examples fall flat). They're the ones that are either too dim or too stubborn to reach out to us.



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oniyide on 20 January 2013
Mr Khan said:
oniyide said:
Mr Khan said:
Max King of the Wild said:
yes, because all 100 mil of you havent upgraded... if you Wii owners weren't so hesitant on getting the Wii U the developers wouldn't be hesitant in making the games.

But developers didn't bother making games for the 100 million in the first place.


Sure they did, more games were made for it than either PS3 or 360, fact. They might not have been the games you wanted to play, but hey thats kind of your problem.

Its kind of their problem. We're here, and we've proven that we buy games that aren't niche or shit (which is where your No More Heroes, Conduit, Madworld examples fall flat). They're the ones that are either too dim or too stubborn to reach out to us.


Conduit was niche? Those games were shit? According to who? You? Me? Funny because i remember prior to those games releasing, most people here were swearing that those games would do a mil each. Funny how that didnt happen. FYI I agree those games were bad, but I would also say the JD games, Game party Carnival etc, were bad games and they did well. And guess what kind of games were made on WIi as a result?



cuberandgamer on 20 January 2013

its not Nintendo's fault. Well its is. Sometimes I think that 3rd party games can't compete with the 1st party games. Since Nintendo is a HUGE company they can make and publish tons of games every year and that kinda leaves the 3rd party games in the dust. thats just what i think though.



noname2200 on 20 January 2013

I did my part. I bought BOTH Resident Evil rail-shooters, AND the RE4 re-release, AND the Okami port, AND EVEN the Dead Rising...thing. I aced those tests. I aced those tests like a badass.



Metallicube on 20 January 2013

Consumers are never at fault.. Unless they like, cburn down a major manufacturing plant or something.

Businesses have the responsibility to sway consumers, not the other way around.



Darc Requiem on 20 January 2013
oniyide said:
Mr Khan said:
oniyide said:
Carl2291 said:
Ive always put a 2-way blame on it.

Firstly, Nintendo. The way they advertised the Wii. The games they released for that audience. The focus from Nintendo was 80% on the new casual market. Mums, little girls, grandmas and grandads. The market for these games exploded, and a cheap crappy game could sell a Million. Which leads me to...

Secondly, Third Parties. They saw the Wii as a profit machine to fuel the big HD Blockbuster titles on PS360. A little party game could sell 100k units and make a tidy profit, so when they see games like Carnival Games hitting big milestones then the choice becomes obvious. They were blind to efforts like the RE4 port, and let the Wii have spinoff titles instead of the serious big titles, again due to the profits.

The consumer cant really be blamed, because the Wii consumer bought games. Lots of games. Its just the type of games they bought werent necessarily the blockbuster... They were the preschool party game.

Its a double edged sword. With huge success they also segregated a huge part of the market.

I agree with everything but the bolded. THey were not blind, they just didnt care. Games like RE are still way more expensive to produce than something like Just Dance, HD or not. And the JD game would sell way more. Simple math, which game would you rather make for Wii, it wont be RE. They didnt get big titles because the damn Wii couldnt run them, its that simple. No wonder you never saw a AC game for Wii but a butt load of JD games. There not gonna spend money to downgrade a game on Wii knowing that most people are just going to get the PS360/pc version anyway, it would just be a waste of money.  And i wish people stop using RE4 as some shining example, its not. It was a BUDGET port released early in the systems life. It was just Capcom trying to squeeze more money out of the game, it wasnt even like it was the best selling version.

But it showed the market was there. They could have made Resident Evil: Revelations (for instance) for the Wii, and it probably would have sold better than the 3DS game. The market is clearly there, and people like that experience better on a console; ergo, more money for Capcom.

RE4 proved that an audience was there, which was the point of Carl's post.

RE4 didnt prove anything, again it was BUDGET game released early on in the console's life, how well would it have done had it been full price. And ill see your RE4 and raise you a No More Heroes, Madworld, Conduit, etc. There are alot less success stories out there. Just for the sake of argument lets say there was an audience, that audience still isnt as big as the one on HDs and not even close to the Dance, exercise demographic on WIi, and that is my point. Why a smaller market when you can support a bigger one? And cheaper at that?

Then explain Umbrella Chronicles. Both it and RE4 sold well, both with test games from Capcom, and were Wii owners rewarded with a real RE game? Nope, just Darkside Chronicles.