KingofRome said: Nsanity said: Gehirnkrampf said: 130k in favor of PS3? That's immense, i think this will be adjusted down. If not: PS3 will surpass XBox soon. I want a gap chart like done before. One over the whole year of 2012. If I had a nickel for everytime I heard that, I would be a millionaire.

it's true though, how many countless times have we heard it on here, probably in the ball park of a gazillion.

chriscox1121 said: KingofRome said: Nsanity said: Gehirnkrampf said: 130k in favor of PS3? That's immense, i think this will be adjusted down. If not: PS3 will surpass XBox soon. I want a gap chart like done before. One over the whole year of 2012. If I had a nickel for everytime I heard that, I would be a millionaire. it's true though, how many countless times have we heard it on here, probably in the ball park of a gazillion.

People have said it will happen because it is inevitable. Why they continue to repeat it is beyond me. 

KingofRome said: chriscox1121 said: KingofRome said: Nsanity said: Gehirnkrampf said: 130k in favor of PS3? That's immense, i think this will be adjusted down. If not: PS3 will surpass XBox soon. I want a gap chart like done before. One over the whole year of 2012. If I had a nickel for everytime I heard that, I would be a millionaire. it's true though, how many countless times have we heard it on here, probably in the ball park of a gazillion. People have said it will happen because it is inevitable. Why they continue to repeat it is beyond me.

i agree, i'm just saying it's a broken record by this point.

MARCUSDJACKSON said: platformmaster918 said: MARCUSDJACKSON said: PS3 is doing swell, and i hope it stays that way lol. everything else back to normal. so sony prepared for Jan. i see. Jan. just may be Sony's. the first half of the year is Sony's.  They already have 6 big exclusives coming out in LoU, GoW, Sly, Beyond, Ni No Kuni, and Puppeteer (some bigger than others obviously).  If they drop price or bring the 12gb one to the US then things will really skyrocket.  Remember no price drop last year and $199 is a BIG price drop for any conole that PS3 hasn't reached yet (I'm assuming they can afford it with the cheaper remodel). i know, i was trying to be obvious, and it looks like i was lol. i thought they had a PS3 for $179. yea i hope PS3 gets a price drop. i think the move(again you could be right) was to make profit before droping price. i think all those exclusives will perform well. from 500k, and up. but ye, to keep momentum, a price drop would definitely do that.

Heavy Rain did over 2 million and with a good reputation (everyone I recommended it to loved it) and some advertising (never saw one ad for Heavy Rain tisk tisk yet again Sony marketing) Beyond could do 3 million with Ellen Page attached.  Last of Us could do 3-5 million with ND and judging by preorders (plus it will stand out as unique and hopefully be bundled come holidays).  GoW is GoW and has multiplayer plus GoW 3 is undertracked so 4-5 million.  Puppeteer I have no idea (unknown dev, new IP, don't know launch window although I suspect first half).  Sly is doing good preorders and I think it could do Sly 2 numbers (<2 million).  Ni No Kuni I suspect to be big in Japan especially but I don't follow JRPGs so I have no idea what to expect.  

They should drop PS3 price at E3 once all these games have given them their hardware boosts and they fully reveal PS4.  This would be the perfect time and then holiday bundles can have old games and PS+ for $150 or a new game (LoU, PSAllstars, GoW: Ascension, or a new third party game that fall) for $200.  Remember they had no big exclusives (Starhawk, Twisted Metal, and LBP Karting weren't advertised at all and recieved very little support) aside from MAYBE Allstars this year which flopped.  Couple that with no price drop and it's easy to see why PS3 went down so much.  They could easily get 10m next year with these things.  I mean there was really NO incentive to get PS3 this year if you hadn't already.  $199 is a huge deal just like $299 and every other $100 drop ($50 ones not so much) so it could see a huge jump from that compared to the $250 one 2 years ago.

Train wreck said: Seems we have to bring back the chalkboard for the wii U.  Have to house these Wii U excuses somewhere:

I can't see pikmin saving Wiiu this semester, because all these games in this list sold more that Pikmin 1 and 2:

 

Pos	Game	Platform	Year	Genre	Publisher	North America	Europe	Japan	Rest of World	Global
1	Pikmin	GC	2001	Strategy	Nintendo	0.78	0.25	0.56	0.04	1.63
2	Pikmin 2	GC	2004	Strategy	Nintendo	0.48	0.13	0.56	0.03	1.20

The franchise declined even further during the Wii era.

3	New Play Control! Pikmin	Wii	2008	Strategy	Nintendo	0.26	0.09	0.19	0.04	0.58
4	New Play Control! Pikmin 2	Wii	2009	Strategy	Nintendo	0.04	0.12	0.20	0.01	0.37

 

 

 

Kresnik said: I'm guessing there have been some adjustments already since this was first posted, because Vita sure as hell isn't more than double Wii-U anymore. I also suspect European sales on the whole are a bit too high on the whole. Nonetheless, it's going to be interesting to watch how PS3 does over the upcoming months. It's going to be bleak for both Vita and Wii-U for Q1 though, unless something drastic happens for either of them. Vita has a relatively nice (by Vita standards) schedule for Q1 in Japan and I expect it to sell fairly well from the week beginning February 28th through to the end of March. If it got a price cut in April, then it could even start building some momentum (provided there's some other stuff coming in Q2-3 to compliment God Eater 2). In the west however it's just a bit of a disaster. I can't see anything giving a sales boost aside from possibly Persona in Europe briefly, so whatever it sells in Q1 is pretty much the bottom level of where sales are going to be. Wii-U, on the other hand, has a couple of releases that are going to help in the west but literally nothing in Japan. I reckon Rayman Legends will do well in Europe. Origins did quite well over here, on Vita in particular. Lego City Undercover + Wii Fit U could be the games for USA too, although for the price of the console I'm not sure they're going to be system sellers. Perhaps, I guess we'l see. For Japan though, there is literally nothing until Dragon Quest X gets given a firm release date. Even then, it's an upscaled Wii game and I believe the Wii version can be played on Wii-U anyway, so the difference may be negligible (or not, DQ is still massive in Japan). But until then, Fist of North Star + Need for Speed aren't gonna tide anyone over. Meh. Troublesome times, three 8th generation systems launched and all of them off to horrific starts. 3DS has turned it around nicely. I'm sure Wii-U can do the same with the right games and price cut at the correct time, but as things look now, it's pretty bleak.

Pretty good analysis, thanks for this besides the 'doomdoom' or 'all is fine' stuff that is thrown in for either console.

Birimbau said: Train wreck said: Seems we have to bring back the chalkboard for the wii U.  Have to house these Wii U excuses somewhere: I can't see pikmin saving Wiiu this semester, because all these games in this list sold more that Pikmin 1 and 2:   Pos Game Platform Year Genre Publisher North America Europe Japan Rest of World Global 1 Pikmin GC 2001 Strategy Nintendo 0.78 0.25 0.56 0.04 1.63 2 Pikmin 2 GC 2004 Strategy Nintendo 0.48 0.13 0.56 0.03 1.20 The franchise declined even further during the Wii era. 3 New Play Control! Pikmin Wii 2008 Strategy Nintendo 0.26 0.09 0.19 0.04 0.58 4 New Play Control! Pikmin 2 Wii 2009 Strategy Nintendo 0.04 0.12 0.20 0.01 0.37

You sound exactly like VGKing, though Pikmin 3 will likely drastically outsell the previous entries (I'm expecting 2.5mil LT). 

It isn't a killer-app though.

sales2099 said: Jay520 said: Kresnik said: Jay520 said: sales2099 said: WiiU can sell whatever it can until it catches its stride. Its called a headstart for a reason people.... By that logic, Dreamcast sales must have been pretty good during its first year. Didn't Dreamcast get off to a pretty good start?  Until PS2 hype killed the sales.  I seem to remember reading various pieces about how Dreamcast actually had a really successful launch and sold well for a while. It may have had a good start, but it wasn't good enough for the Dreamcast to survive the PS2's launch. I'm not saying the Wii U is going to be discontinued. But to say any sales are acceptable just because the PS4 & 720 haven't released makes no sense at all. We count this gens lifetime sales, including 360s head start sales. One can say thats the very reason why the 360 did so good this gen. Makes perfect sense.

My response to that can be summed up in my earlier post, which you've conveniently ignored...

First of all, the Wii U is competing right now. It's competing to prove itself as a viable console for 3rd parties. It's competing for relevance. Most importantly, Nintendo is competing against Playstation and Xbox brand right now for brand power. If the Wii U continues to be outsold by the PS360 by such a large margin, then Nintendo's brand as a whole will diminish in comparison to Playstation and Xbox. Needless to say, this will make the Wii U's future that much more hard. To say that any sales are acceptable, regardless of how bad they may be, is simply flawed thinking.

Someone help me! I know ps3 and x360 overtracked and also wii apparently, but how about Vita??? If true does this mean Vita never passed the 4mil mark last year? (it got 90k this week and on the charts it says 4.0Worldwide sales)

Also 3DS undertracked??? Now its 27.7mil whle last week 27.0mil this week had close to 500k?

tbone51 said: Someone help me! I know ps3 and x360 overtracked and also wii apparently, but how about Vita??? If true does this mean Vita never passed the 4mil mark last year? (it got 90k this week and on the charts it says 4.0Worldwide sales) Also 3DS undertracked??? Now its 27.7mil whle last week 27.0mil this week had close to 500k?

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+ 3,454,534 (2012)
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3,936,107
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4,024,893