Until today, if I look for PS2-games I find a mass of crap, which contains some gems. It's easier to sort now, because the gems are better known at this point. Bu that doesn't change the fact, that there is a sea of shovelware for PS2.

Obviously the PS2 commercially had shovelware (which is why the two are always compared asking" which is worse?"), but again it also had double the amount of games the Wii had give or take. I am sure if you look the percentage of the whole library with low scores the Wii will have a larger pecentage of shovelware than the PS2. The PS2 was a casual and core success everyone loved it equally and people continued to buy PS2's even afters spotlight was yielded to the PS3. The Wii was majorly a casual success and thats a tough pill to swallow for a lot of Nintendo fans, but to argue that is hurting anyones argument. Third parties were not hailed by the core on the level of the PS2. It would hurt to list Wii's highest rated games above 70 and the and the vs the PS2's. Even quite a few multiplats scored lowest on the Wii because publishers took the plunge and bombed trying to harness capabilities  of the new controls.

Condemned and Zeno Clash come to my mind that did this before Red Steel 2.

Maybe, maybe not. Hard to gather facts for this.

One point: casual game != shovelware. The successful casual games on the Wii (Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Just Dance) are far from being shovelware. They are polished games, that attract a different sort of gamer. What I was talking about, is the sea of low quality productions for the PS2. But most of them would be classified as core. The well known casual experiences on the PS2 (Buzz, Singstar, Dance Dance Revolution, Eyetoy) are also no shovelware (while casual shovelware may exist too). So I was talking about low quality games (and this I mean with shovelware). The classification into core vs. casual-games is far too subjective, to base anything on it. Sure, most people agree, that Final Fantasy and Zelda are core-games, while Singstar and Wii Fit are casual games. But the borders are very blurred on this and change from person to person.

You also talk about review-scores. You are right about the multiplats, many 3rd-party did a crappy job in supporting the Wii. But didn't the Wii had some high-rated first-party-games? But even here, review-scores are very subjective. Quality is a different thing. How many people regret buying a game would be an indicator of quality. I doubt many people regret  buying Just Dance. I suspect the buyers of this game have fun with it - and that's what a game is created for.

So, yes, I agree the Wii is a console strongly focusing on casual-experiences. I also think, that the amount of casual games is bigger than on PS2, although it's hard to classify. (What category is Mario Kart?) But I don't think the Wii really had a higher percentage of crap-games, than the PS2 had. And how hard is it to find the gems? Actually, the sales indicate, that most people buyed good games like Sports Resort and Just Dance. Yes, they are casual, and probably weren't that expensive. But they do good what they intend to do. Even if you don't like this sort of game. I also don't like dance games and I'm irritated about the success of Just Dance, but I can admit it's a good game. I also hate Jump&Runs, but I can admit Mario Galaxy is a good one, although I would never buy it.

Barozi
oops, so true...how could i forgot Condemmned, i liked that game very much...my bad
both great games :)

I own both. Does that make me special *PLEASE*

Are trying to make the point that multiple platform games are not good games?

Also the wii is nothing like the PS2, PS1  SNES etc. Although it is true that the more games you have the more shovelware you are going to find, the difference is the above platforms also have a ton classic 3rd party games which critics praised to the heaven and still have a lasting legacy. By any systems standards, your list of 3rd party games for the wii is poor, most of the 3rd titles mention recieved good but far from amazing reviews. Understandably you might love them, but the general consesus is against you.

The ps2 had games like FFX, Okami, Metal Gear solid 3, Tekken Tag tournanment, Grand theft auto 3, Devil May Cry...... your 3rd party list is not comparable. Has a 3rd party wii game ever scored above 90 on metacritic? I have a wii and I thought the the 3rd efforts were poor, games like Mad world and no more heroes were supposed to  entice me but they were terribly stale where gameplay is concerned. Okami and RE4 were the only 3rd part titles don't regret buying (never bought Red steel 2).

Can somene please help me cross of the 1st and 2nd party games of my Wii games list?

Pick a genre where PS2 had gems, they were in nearly all of them, first, second or third party. Doesn't matter. The amount of hot third party titles on the PS2 was astonishing. Heaps of JRPG's, Action-Adventure games, Platformers, Hack N Slash, Sand Box games, Sports, Party games and more. Also remember that Motion cam gaming started on the PS2. It was just commercial domination. The reason the few great games the Wii has can barely be seen is because of they are surrounded by crap at Gamestop. Again it begs to question whether developers and publisher had a problem with the motion controls or whether they just wanted a quick buck and thought casuals wouldnt notice the difference. If the Wii had a strong core backing they wouldnt need to end the console now at five years after the profit they made from the casuals. 

The PS2 sold 1.51 billion games during its time.

The Wii sold 716.09 (Probably a bit more now, but not much). 

Yeah...thats nearly double the amount of games the Wii sold.

I never doubted the PS2 has much gems (some of them I own), as you also admitted that the Wii has gems. But if I look through the PS2-shelf at Gamestop (I think this is the only game-shop in my city that has PS2-games now), I have much crap for choice. I forgot most titles as I saw them, but Eternal Quest, God Hand, stuff like that. For PS2 exists much of this crap. I somehow doubt, the crap-percentage on PS2 is much lower (if even), than on Wii.