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If you look at what was announced and the comments, it is clear that Nintendo did not do anything that changed the minds of many 20-something males who like to play FPSs. Instead, they showed they can offer enough to a slightly older gamer who has a family that he/she may no longer feel the need to have two console because they will get games like AC3 (which I WANT) and BM:AC (which I don't).

But then again, maybe it knew it could not do that, so it decided to go for everyone else and make a profit for its investors -- something no video game console maker (or its sector in a larger company) did last year.

And when you only make video games, that is important. The sales analysis shows in the OP also shows how little the stock analysts know. They are going on buzz of a very small demographic rather than on potential results over a wide audience.

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Slimebeast said:
No, honestly they're in huge trouble in attracting the hardcore gamers. So far the Wii U is perceived 100% same as the Wii, meaning there is Nintendo games + casual fest.

Lost opportunity I'd say because this mission was all about the first year, to convince the hardcore gamers and to give them the opportunity to jump into next gen early. After the first year (less than that in reality) the gamer's mindset is quickly conquered by the PS4 and X720.

They have no 1st party Must Have (Mario Super brothers Wii U looks too similar to the Wii and 3DS versions, it's essentially the same game) and I think 3d party support is much less than anybody would have imagined/feared (lack of multiplatforms and 3d party exclusives such as Zombi U screams "I'm a casual game!").

I originally thought the Wii U would clearly sell over 50 million lifetime but I doubt it now.


Hyperbole.

Nintendo said two days ago at their analyst meeting that they'll care more about the 190M Wiimotes/ 45M Balance Board owners, for now.



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Slimebeast said:

Okay, a little bit. But you need all or nearly all multiplatforms to be on the Wii U or else the hardcore gamer don't think it's a viable platform. So far we have got late ports and fringe franchises, except for AC3 which is huge .

Where is Resi 6? Dead Space 3? Bioshock? Crysies 3? Far Cry 3? Tomb Raider? Watch Dogs?

The Capcom left the possiblity that the eventual RE:6 Gold edition my make it to the WiiU.

There is a rumor that Tomb Raider may make it to the system. (Spurred on by what was more than likely a misprint in GI)

Crytek seems to be taking a wait and see approach, while they don't have any plans yet on make games for it, their engine already is being used for it.

EA like NIntendo didn't announce everything for the Wii U that it could, they tweeted about the sport titles are infact coming to the system, so we still may see Dead Space and other multi-platform titles from EA.

The thing is those titles could be in the works, it just that they are not going to be ready this year. And it seems Nintendo may have put a muzzel on their partners from talking about titles that may not make it in the launch window.



Pavolink said:
Slimebeast said:
No, honestly they're in huge trouble in attracting the hardcore gamers. So far the Wii U is perceived 100% same as the Wii, meaning there is Nintendo games + casual fest.

Lost opportunity I'd say because this mission was all about the first year, to convince the hardcore gamers and to give them the opportunity to jump into next gen early. After the first year (less than that in reality) the gamer's mindset is quickly conquered by the PS4 and X720.

They have no 1st party Must Have (Mario Super brothers Wii U looks too similar to the Wii and 3DS versions, it's essentially the same game) and I think 3d party support is much less than anybody would have imagined/feared (lack of multiplatforms and 3d party exclusives such as Zombi U screams "I'm a casual game!").

I originally thought the Wii U would clearly sell over 50 million lifetime but I doubt it now.


Hyperbole.

Nintendo said two days ago at their analyst meeting that they'll care more about the 190M Wiimotes/ 45M Balance Board owners, for now.

That what the launch of the system is for. First you want to try and convert as many of the people who bought and use your last sytem over first then focus on getting you new target market. They want the die hard Nintendo fans and the "Wii moms" because getting someone who already has you product to buy your next product is easier then trying to get back some of the people you lost. Apple is a great example of this tactic, with their annuel "shaming of the poor people".

Your first go for the easy sell with your launch. And then build the base to attract new customers. And the question is how much information did Nintendo hold back and had their partners hold back to release in the two month period before the lauch and into the first few months.



DélioPT said:
DanneSandin said:
DélioPT said:
To say that 3rd parties don`t care about Wii U is nor true. Wii U has been getting more support in terms of numbers and quality in it`s start then Wii ever did. ME3? AC3? NG3? Ghost Recon Online? Dirt? Tekken? Projec Cars?
Aren`t these proof that things are changing? Yes, we won`t get all the ports, but in compensation we will get exclusives that might end up being great.
And Nintendo still hasn`t explained it`s online strategy in detail. Will Miiverse be part of 3rd party titles? That would be sweeet!

No it's not; that's old games for the most part! Or will be old when the WiiU launches... But I hope this will change! I hope that WiiU will get all 3rd party that the up coming PS720 will get!

Some might be old, but wii never got them old or new and Wii U is getting them... some new, some old.
ME3 and Batman might be old, but at least Batman has work put into it. ME3 might end up being worked as well. NG3 is also old, but from what i read it might be what fans expected fom the started and never got. Other games like AC3 might be old but just 2/3 weeks old.

And despite being old, they will reach to a new audience.

I wouldn't call WiiU's launch line up stellar because of the fact that they got a bunch of old games - instead of new ones. You could argue that WiiU will have THE best launch line up if you take into acount all the downloadable content, which include SMB1-3 and world, a bunch of Zeldas and Metroids and Donkey Kong. But no one is making that argument because they are old games, and old games don't matter at a new systems launch.

Don't get me wrong: I'm gonna get BT:AC for sure, but it's still sad that there's so many old games in that launch line up...



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BlkPaladin said:

That what the launch of the system is for. First you want to try and convert as many of the people who bought and use your last sytem over first then focus on getting you new target market. They want the die hard Nintendo fans and the "Wii moms" because getting someone who already has you product to buy your next product is easier then trying to get back some of the people you lost. Apple is a great example of this tactic, with their annuel "shaming of the poor people".

Your first go for the easy sell with your launch. And then build the base to attract new customers. And the question is how much information did Nintendo hold back and had their partners hold back to release in the two month period before the lauch and into the first few months.

Exactly. They are attracting again the Wii owners to build a installbase, but this time offering them third party games like Ninja Gaiden, Batman Arkham City, Darksiders II and Mass Effect 3. If this userbase buy it, more third party will jump on board.

Also, can't honestly remember where I read, but it will be more announcements for games becuase the list Nintendo posted was only partial. I'm expecting to know more about Madden and FIFA, plus other games heavly rumored like COD and Skylanders.

Nintendo can do more events before launch, and the 28th will have their investors meeting.



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zarx said:
DélioPT said:

Buying them on your console is not the same as buying a console just for one or two games. Not everyone is willing to spend a lot of money to buy a console just because of a few games.


So now you are saying the audiance for the ports is people that don't buy systems at launch (consoles at launch as a rule only have a few games to buy)... Again that is an audiance that won't buy a lot of these games.


No, no. What i meant was that depite some games being good or great, not everyone is/was willing to buy a console for them. That is, there are games that makes us buy a console just for them and there are games that, despite being very good, aren`t strong enough to buy a console because of them.
For example, Batman and AC might be very good, but they aren`t system sellers. The Halos, Gears of War and Uncharteds are.



mike_intellivision said:
If you look at what was announced and the comments, it is clear that Nintendo did not do anything that changed the minds of many 20-something males who like to play FPSs. Instead, they showed they can offer enough to a slightly older gamer who has a family that he/she may no longer feel the need to have two console because they will get games like AC3 (which I WANT) and BM:AC (which I don't).

But then again, maybe it knew it could not do that, so it decided to go for everyone else and make a profit for its investors -- something no video game console maker (or its sector in a larger company) did last year.

And when you only make video games, that is important. The sales analysis shows in the OP also shows how little the stock analysts know. They are going on buzz of a very small demographic rather than on potential results over a wide audience.

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DanneSandin said:
DélioPT said:

Some might be old, but wii never got them old or new and Wii U is getting them... some new, some old.
ME3 and Batman might be old, but at least Batman has work put into it. ME3 might end up being worked as well. NG3 is also old, but from what i read it might be what fans expected fom the started and never got. Other games like AC3 might be old but just 2/3 weeks old.

And despite being old, they will reach to a new audience.

I wouldn't call WiiU's launch line up stellar because of the fact that they got a bunch of old games - instead of new ones. You could argue that WiiU will have THE best launch line up if you take into acount all the downloadable content, which include SMB1-3 and world, a bunch of Zeldas and Metroids and Donkey Kong. But no one is making that argument because they are old games, and old games don't matter at a new systems launch.

Don't get me wrong: I'm gonna get BT:AC for sure, but it's still sad that there's so many old games in that launch line up...

You are right, there are old games there, but there are more new games than just ports. Batman, NG 3 and ME 3 will be old, AC 3 and Tekken not so much, specially AC 3.
Still, you got to remember that mainly PS3 and Xbox 360 owners will own them. Wii owners only, won`t and future Wii U owners probably will hold on the purchase so they can build up their library for Wii U.

I don`t know the size of the market for them but i believe they can make a profit and probably help show that Wii U is a viable platform for these kind of games.



DélioPT said:
DanneSandin said:

I wouldn't call WiiU's launch line up stellar because of the fact that they got a bunch of old games - instead of new ones. You could argue that WiiU will have THE best launch line up if you take into acount all the downloadable content, which include SMB1-3 and world, a bunch of Zeldas and Metroids and Donkey Kong. But no one is making that argument because they are old games, and old games don't matter at a new systems launch.

Don't get me wrong: I'm gonna get BT:AC for sure, but it's still sad that there's so many old games in that launch line up...

You are right, there are old games there, but there are more new games than just ports. Batman, NG 3 and ME 3 will be old, AC 3 and Tekken not so much, specially AC 3.
Still, you got to remember that mainly PS3 and Xbox 360 owners will own them. Wii owners only, won`t and future Wii U owners probably will hold on the purchase so they can build up their library for Wii U.

I don`t know the size of the market for them but i believe they can make a profit and probably help show that Wii U is a viable platform for these kind of games.

I'm guessing most (not all) Wii owning hard core gamers also has one of the HD twins - and probably already played alot of these older games already. Then there's ppl like me: I got myself a Wii, but haven't gotten around getting a HD twin, just like you're suggesting. But, really, how many could it be of us?

I'm hoping they're done with all old ports by spring next year and that we start to see fresh content only there after.



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