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lestatdark on 18 September 2011
Runa216 said:
Sorry about the butthurt report image, was meant to be lighthearted.

But at the same time, I find it rather frustrating that my 'image' is almost entirely based on my (strong) feelings towards a single game. I'm aggressive, I'm hateful, I'm angry, I'm rude, etc....but that's not like me at all, I just really, REALLY REALLY REALLY hate FFXIII (and with VERY good reason), and I loooove making that point known because of my history and attitude (I look for the good in everything), for great contrast.

Also, it says in my sig right there that I have strong opinions and I voice them loudly. Seriously, this world needs a bit more blunt honesty, because far too many people are beating around the bush and fucking around instead of being gutsy enough to come out and say "This sucks, here's why", regardless of the white knights who stand up to defend it.

It's gotten to the point where the only way to have a debate/discussion on a forum/messageboard is to punctuate every sentence with "in my opinion".

And yes, people ARE stupid. I may sound condescending, but it's group mentality. One person can usually be counted on to think rationally and intelligently, but the bigger the group, the dumber the collective gets. That's just social science.

I agree with you completely on your first sentence, honesty should be valued more often, but there are ways to discuss the negatives of something you don't find to be good that don't fall down to "I'm right and only my opinion is valid". It might not be what you're trying to do, but it comes across as that. 

The problem is that you enter in direct conflict with your second phrase. Yes mob mentality catters to the lowest common denominator, which usually boils down to low-end intelligence and dumbish discussion. In that essence, by falling down into that same type of argumentation, you tend to fall down on the same group mentality that you're voicing against. This is me being "brutally and bluntly honest" without having to resort to low-end arguments. 



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ChristianTheAtheist on 18 September 2011

We gotta see for ourselves I guess. I plan to buy it sometime, because i haven't played it yet.



finalrpgfantasy on 18 September 2011
brendude13 said:
finalrpgfantasy said:
i doubt it will sell more, if they want the game to sell more IMO they should release the xbox 360 version in japan.

They already did...and fuck all happened xD

i didn't even knew that they release it in japan and by the looks of it with dissapointing sales.



brendude13 on 18 September 2011
finalrpgfantasy said:
brendude13 said:
finalrpgfantasy said:
i doubt it will sell more, if they want the game to sell more IMO they should release the xbox 360 version in japan.

They already did...and fuck all happened xD

i didn't even knew that they release it in japan and by the looks of it with dissapointing sales.

Yeah, I think it hit 20ish in the charts.

That's what I was expecting, most Xbox 360 owners in Japan have a PS3 too, they would have bought it already.



brendude13 on 18 September 2011
lestatdark said:
Runa216 said:
Sorry about the butthurt report image, was meant to be lighthearted.

But at the same time, I find it rather frustrating that my 'image' is almost entirely based on my (strong) feelings towards a single game. I'm aggressive, I'm hateful, I'm angry, I'm rude, etc....but that's not like me at all, I just really, REALLY REALLY REALLY hate FFXIII (and with VERY good reason), and I loooove making that point known because of my history and attitude (I look for the good in everything), for great contrast.

Also, it says in my sig right there that I have strong opinions and I voice them loudly. Seriously, this world needs a bit more blunt honesty, because far too many people are beating around the bush and fucking around instead of being gutsy enough to come out and say "This sucks, here's why", regardless of the white knights who stand up to defend it.

It's gotten to the point where the only way to have a debate/discussion on a forum/messageboard is to punctuate every sentence with "in my opinion".

And yes, people ARE stupid. I may sound condescending, but it's group mentality. One person can usually be counted on to think rationally and intelligently, but the bigger the group, the dumber the collective gets. That's just social science.

I agree with you completely on your first sentence, honesty should be valued more often, but there are ways to discuss the negatives of something you don't find to be good that don't fall down to "I'm right and only my opinion is valid". It might not be what you're trying to do, but it comes across as that. 

The problem is that you enter in direct conflict with your second phrase. Yes mob mentality catters to the lowest common denominator, which usually boils down to low-end intelligence and dumbish discussion. In that essence, by falling down into that same type of argumentation, you tend to fall down on the same group mentality that you're voicing against. This is me being "brutally and bluntly honest" without having to resort to low-end arguments. 

I do agree with what Runa said, people need to be more honest and people in this day and age really aren't that bright. But whatever, that's not my point.

I still don't agree with what he is doing with FFXIII though, he isn't coming off as being honest yet blunt, he is coming off as obsessive and rude. As for his "opinion", I am an understanding person and can accept people's opinions, but when I saw his individual ratings (2/10 for difficulty, 1/10 for innovation and 3/10 for world specifically) he threw every ounce of his credibility out the window, the guy is deluded. I said he may as well start arguing the point that the sky is green.



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outlawauron on 18 September 2011
A203D said:
Acevil said:
Xen said:
VXIII said:

 

Great numbers, but still disappointing as XIII is the first final fantasy this gen, the first has sold the best in the last two gens, wonder if XIII-2 will manage to sell 5M LT.

Not a chance in hell.

Hmm, how about 4 million?

I originally thought 2 mil.

Mirson i really dont think FF13 is going to sell another 2 mil copies. its been in the bargain bin for a year now. and that hasnt really helped the sales.

FF10-2 sold about half of what FF10 sold. and FF10 was a popular entry to the series. i dont think FF13-2 will sell half of FF13, since it is a lot less popular than FF10.

I'd be willing to take a bet on that XIII-2 prediction (along with your horribly bad sales recollection on the sales FFX/X-2).



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Xen on 18 September 2011
Christhor said:
Xen said:
Christhor said:
Xen said:
Christhor said:
Xen said:
Christhor said:
This forum is filled with FFX fanboys, open your eyes people, notice the terrible story telling and the douchey characters! Such whores, only wanting flash and no substance. (And no, before any of you say something, I'm not defending FFXIII)

Doesn't look like it will outsell FFVIII, which is a shame, that abomination deserves to die. Oh well, here's to the next FF, eh?

I already won that last argument, wanna go again?

Also, FF VIII is better than XIII - and better than most other FF's and games, to boot.

You won that arguement? Lolwut, all you did was say "At least FFXIII did it worse! So I'm allowed to like my cruddy game". Man, kids these days...

If you wanna go again, just tell me ;)

@bren: FFX > FFVI > FFVIII for me. Everything else is great and changes places on occasion - only FF XIII drudges far far behind. But yeah, the ending in FFX really seals the deal there.


lol, so arrogant, didn't mature at all during the last year, eh? I guess that's just what this place does to you. As long as you don't try to twist my words this time then go right ahead.

This reminds me, I actually linked a friend to that other discussion, he asked me why I posted a video oh a hentai game in the middle of it. It took me quite a while to convince him that it was just FFX-2 and that you were just giving a woman an orgasm by massaging her.

An 18-year-old talking to me about maturity and arrogance and then trying to stuff the same irrelevant argument as he did in his last five posts on the subject, all while failing to respond to 2/3 points in the last argument? AW AW IT'S MASSAGEZ IT'S HORRIBLE! Do you have anything else besides that and calling me various things?

How funny. I don't get you at all - what do you mean by "matured in the alst year"?

Well alright then.

-How are the characters douchey? Tidus is whiny in the start, but then he reconciles with his situation and quickly matures and gets a grip. Auron is perfectly serious, fatherly, and, at times, inspiring. Lulu is cold out front, but very concerned and deep on the inside. Rikku and Wakka are there for comic relief and emphasizing racial tension in spira, they do both perfectly. Yuna is quiet and almost without presense at first, but clearly has plans of her own and is strong to embrace a rebellious spirit when needed, up to to becoming a key protagonist for the game. The only one thats kinda useless is Kimahri, but the whole company clicks really well.

-How is the story told badly? You are led by force of hand through all of it, and while the main story unfolds in front of you, you also get lots of backstory from the main chars and Maechen should you speak to him. The games' rich universe is unveiled even better in FFX-2. GIve me an example of badly - because from start to finish, it all clicks, makes sense, and depending on your taste, is enthralling. I don't remember story holes, either - a classic example of bad storytelling.


Maturity isn't all about age, sir. And I was not using that as my point, I was just saying it was something that amused me that he thought it was a hentai game. Though it does show how shameless the series is.

Only that I was gone a bit more than a year and you don't seem to have changed at all, that's basically it.

How are the characters douchey? Well how about how all of them completely ignore the threat that is Sin just to play underwater polo. Killika gets destroyed by Sin, most of the village dies and just a day later they're go "AW YEAH, LET'S IGNORE SIN AND PLAY BLITZBALL!" That's not douchey? Even after Tidus matures he's still an asshole and a total brat "this is my story", when it's definitely Yuna's story and not his. He bangs her and then walks all over her. Wakka has the "Just like happy fireworks, eh?" scene right after Rikku's home gets destroyed, despite how stupid Wakka is you cannot think that something like that is a good idea. Total douche. Rikku has no purpose in the story except for the "racial tension". Yuna is not even worth mentioning really, even though the whole story revolves around her she's a complete doormat and a very boring character. She used more as a tool to progress the story, like the five or so times she gets kidnapped.

Auron is an amazing character, I can't deny that, he carried that game alone. Quite possibly my favourite Final Fantasy character of all time. That might just be because he doesn't say much and we really don't know all that much about him, not even the spheres you find with him tell you all that much about him. Lulu is alright, she's a pretty good character. Those two are the only ones I like though.

On the story: Now I'm not sure if you're wanting examples of why it's bad from FFX or FFX-2, I could probably argue against both.

I'll just go with FFX for now though. It's not so much that it's told badly as it is a bad story that makes no sense with awful writing. For the start of the first ten hours of the game it revolves COMPLETELY around Blitzball, which is never explained. Blitzball is so impossible it's laughable, but what I have a bigger concern with is the fact that some people can just breath indefinitely under water while playing underwater polo. This is never explained and yet it really is very important to the plot, even outside of Blitzball. If Tidus, Wakka and Rikku couldn't breath under water then the game would have been over pretty early on. Why is it that they can do this? I thought these guys were meant to be humans (for the most part anyway), I'm pretty sure men can't hold their breath for that long, especially not if they're carrying around a jagged volley ball. Explain game, explain! Then there's the romance *shudder* which is all based on "The wind is nice *insert laughter*" and it is really quite important to the plot. Plotholes? How did Jecht even get to Spira? I know that Tidus got there through Sin, but that was only because Jecht didn't want him dead, I doubt that Sin would just teleport some random guy to Spira for the lulz. Hm? Since he was a dream the Fayth sent him there? One problem there, if they were able to make their "dreams" do whatever they wanted, then why didn't they just turn them into some sort of god and made the instantly kill Yu Yevon? The whole dream aspect was pretty pointless too, it really didn't serve any purpose, it was moslty there as a "See? Tidus is important to the plot!".

There is more, but I don't feel like typing out why the plot is terrible for ages, I can move on to FFX-2 if you'd wish.

You didn't like blitz, did you? :P, why aren't random monsters that are really kinda dead grudgy people and summoning crap along with magic at least as weird as said underwater polo? It's a fantasy world, go wild. Blitz, aside from being the only way the people of spira forget about the threat of sin (said people say that in the game exactly so), is the whole reason Wakka dragged the Aurochs to Luca, and Kilika being ravaged along the way is not something you should throw a year of preparations AND a star player for. Yeah, people died, but in the game, like in life, you gotta seize your chances - they do. If we're on the topic of Wakka anyway, then his idiocy (like in that comment) is pure comic relief, like I said.

It indeed is Tidus' story, too. He was brought to Spira was a purpose, by his pop, Sin - so Tidus can fulfill what his Father never could (remember the scene at yunalescas'?), and break the cycle of calm and rebirth. His disagreement with yevonite law and arrogance are a driver for the partys' actions in the game, and Yuna can't exactly be called a doormat when she tries to take initiative to seal Seymour's clear evil by marrying him - even after they become pariahs by killing him, she's willing to marry a vile unsent if only to wait for the chance to get rid of him by sending him. It's their initiative and rebellious spirit that are the key for change in approach to Sin, the calm, and infallible Yevon. Auron also plays no small part in all of it, of course. Their romance is also finely explained by the game - both in my thought and in scenes - think of journeying with a cute girl for a year (probably.. they never said how long it was), dude. It's not based on the "the wind is nice", either - Tidus stuck on her since she appeared out of the cloister (rewatch  on youtube), and you can see that he's hell-bent on protecting her, even if it means his life - remember who attacked Seymour first? Remember how obsessed he was with not letting her die? She noticed it.

Lastly, all said "holes" are very-well explained. Jecht got there in a very simple way - remember "he went to sea one day and never came back"? It's Sin's ability to send people acting up again - there exists a hole here, derivative from the sending - who sent Jecht, if final aeon=sin? I'll give you that). The Fayth can't annihilate Yu Yevon every time, either - they're tired of dreaming, and their power is not limitless (they grant you the final aeon - but not without enormous sacrifice from you, mental and physical).

Whether you reply soon or not doesn't really bother me, to be honest. You're making me appreciate the game even more now, so thanks for that :P



Runa216 on 18 September 2011
brendude13 said:

I do agree with what Runa said, people need to be more honest and people in this day and age really aren't that bright. But whatever, that's not my point.

I still don't agree with what he is doing with FFXIII though, he isn't coming off as being honest yet blunt, he is coming off as obsessive and rude. As for his "opinion", I am an understanding person and can accept people's opinions, but when I saw his individual ratings (2/10 for difficulty, 1/10 for innovation and 3/10 for world specifically) he threw every ounce of his credibility out the window, the guy is deluded. I said he may as well start arguing the point that the sky is green.

yep, I'm totally deluded, I don't know anything about game review in spite of the fact that I have reviewed hundreds of games and have been doing it for the better part of two decades.  One thing I've learned is that as long as you give a game a good review, everyone agrees with you and heap praise upon your feet; however, if you give a game a bad review, you're a horrible, horrible person with an agenda.  You're deluded, you're ignorant, and you're abrasive for defending your review...

This happened to both Final Fantasy XIII and Duke Nukem Forever. This is precisely what I'm talking about. it's annoying as hell. 



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outlawauron on 19 September 2011
Runa216 said:
brendude13 said:

I do agree with what Runa said, people need to be more honest and people in this day and age really aren't that bright. But whatever, that's not my point.

I still don't agree with what he is doing with FFXIII though, he isn't coming off as being honest yet blunt, he is coming off as obsessive and rude. As for his "opinion", I am an understanding person and can accept people's opinions, but when I saw his individual ratings (2/10 for difficulty, 1/10 for innovation and 3/10 for world specifically) he threw every ounce of his credibility out the window, the guy is deluded. I said he may as well start arguing the point that the sky is green.

yep, I'm totally deluded, I don't know anything about game review in spite of the fact that I have reviewed hundreds of games and have been doing it for the better part of two decades.  One thing I've learned is that as long as you give a game a good review, everyone agrees with you and heap praise upon your feet; however, if you give a game a bad review, you're a horrible, horrible person with an agenda.  You're deluded, you're ignorant, and you're abrasive for defending your review...

This happened to both Final Fantasy XIII and Duke Nukem Forever. This is precisely what I'm talking about. it's annoying as hell. 

The joys of writing objective reviews, no?



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A203D on 19 September 2011
outlawauron said:
A203D said:
Acevil said:
Xen said:
VXIII said:

 

Great numbers, but still disappointing as XIII is the first final fantasy this gen, the first has sold the best in the last two gens, wonder if XIII-2 will manage to sell 5M LT.

Not a chance in hell.

Hmm, how about 4 million?

I originally thought 2 mil.

Mirson i really dont think FF13 is going to sell another 2 mil copies. its been in the bargain bin for a year now. and that hasnt really helped the sales.

FF10-2 sold about half of what FF10 sold. and FF10 was a popular entry to the series. i dont think FF13-2 will sell half of FF13, since it is a lot less popular than FF10.

I'd be willing to take a bet on that XIII-2 prediction (along with your horribly bad sales recollection on the sales FFX/X-2).

I think FF10-2 was at about 4.5 mil and FF10 was at about 8 mil. so i would say thats about half. maybe FF10-2 did a bit more than half, dont remember. i'll check it in a min.

what did you have in mind?