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selnor said:
Dgc1808 said:

Ummm... guys. The navigation controller is optional for those that can't hold a dualshock with one hand... That's why SONY's not throwing it into any bundles... YOU DON'T NEED IT to play move titles.

http://scei.co.jp/corporate/release/100311e.html

When the MOVE was first demo'd with a game [RE5] it was played with a Wand and DualShock.

Eeeeww. Really? 

That is not accessable to casuals in anyway.

The casuals dont want all those buttons. Even not using them, they are daunted by it. My mum plays wii. But shouldnt wouldnt play it with a full controller in one hand. 

This is where Kinect is on the money. It simplifies yet improves casual games over Wii. Were yet to see core games really use it. So Sony has it here. But casual wise M$ is in front row.

 

EDIT:

Wii's new dancing game, will get eaten alive by Dance Central. Not even in the same league for the dance dance fans out there.

You Do realize that the Wimote has buttons right?



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selnor said:

No. I have said many times. The casuals dont play Mario Galaxy, etc. They play the minigame stuff and Wii sports. 

Thats why M$ focused on those types of games. They were advanced types of those games. And much more interactive. They will definately steel Wii sales this holiday.

But the casuals don't watch E3.



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Condor1980 said:

Err yea not only have they made Microsoft's massive wiimote sensor looking device obselete they have added Sony's 3D TV to the bin too :)

just like all the other 3D enabled TV's huh..lol

look i can see your excited but there is a big gap in what the handheld market and the Consumer Electronic's market is directed for..Sony's is not just about 3D gaming its also about 3D home theatre. If anything the 3DS only help's the Market for 3D grow not hinder it.

by Nintendo going 3D do you not see how that just show's that they are agreeing with Sony on 3D..yes they are doing that with a handheld and Sony is not . They are targeted toward different market's sony is going for the Home theatre direction which Nintendo is not. that is a big difference. 3DS is portable an is not meant to be a replacement for home theatre and never will be!



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joeorc said:
Condor1980 said:

Err yea not only have they made Microsoft's massive wiimote sensor looking device obselete they have added Sony's 3D TV to the bin too :)

just like all the other 3D enabled TV's huh..lol

look i can see your excited but there is a big gap in what the handheld market and the Consumer Electronic's market is directed for..Sony's is not just about 3D gaming its also about 3D home theatre. If anything the 3DS only help's the Market for 3D grow not hinder it.

by Nintendo going 3D do you not see how that just show's that they are agreeing with Sony on 3D..yes they are doing that with a handheld and Sony is not . They are targeted toward different market's sony is going for the Home theatre direction which Nintendo is not. that is a big difference. 3DS is portable an is not meant to be a replacement for home theatre and never will be!

3DS does play big-budget 3D movies, though. Thus Nintendo are showing at least some intent to go after part of the market that Sony (and their 3D tv's) cater to.

Yes there are obviously differences, but you can't deny the fact that with that announcement Nintendo apparently intents to take 3DS beyond the boundaries of their traditional 'games-only' approach, and, infact, onto Sony's 3D turf.

True, 3DS isn't a home theatre, but IF it sees success comparable to that of their past handhelds (and I'm betting it will), then Nintendo's (probably) affordable machines capable of playing 3D movies in the hands of 100 million (plus) consumers *could* be a pretty large inconvenience for Sony...



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Cheebee said:
joeorc said:
Condor1980 said:

Err yea not only have they made Microsoft's massive wiimote sensor looking device obselete they have added Sony's 3D TV to the bin too :)

just like all the other 3D enabled TV's huh..lol

look i can see your excited but there is a big gap in what the handheld market and the Consumer Electronic's market is directed for..Sony's is not just about 3D gaming its also about 3D home theatre. If anything the 3DS only help's the Market for 3D grow not hinder it.

by Nintendo going 3D do you not see how that just show's that they are agreeing with Sony on 3D..yes they are doing that with a handheld and Sony is not . They are targeted toward different market's sony is going for the Home theatre direction which Nintendo is not. that is a big difference. 3DS is portable an is not meant to be a replacement for home theatre and never will be!

3DS does play big-budget 3D movies, though. Thus Nintendo are showing at least some intent to go after part of the market that Sony (and their 3D tv's) cater to.

Yes there are obviously differences, but you can't deny the fact that with that announcement Nintendo apparently intents to take 3DS beyond the boundaries of their traditional 'games-only' approach, and, infact, onto Sony's 3D turf.

True, 3DS isn't a home theatre, but IF it sees success comparable to that of their past handhelds (and I'm betting it will), then Nintendo's (probably) affordable machines capable of playing 3D movies in the hands of 100 million (plus) consumers *could* be a pretty large inconvenience for Sony...

how so..the PS3 is for Home Theatre, not portable!

the Iphone play's movies, many other handhelds play movies.

It's great Nintendo made their 3DS handheld an i am sure many other companies may take notice an follow with one of their own. that still does not mean those handhelds are for home theatre also. they are two seperate market's. just like the Handheld's and the game console's are also.

It's not an inconvenience because the PS3 game's are for the PS3 not a portable..just like the 3DS movie watching is for a portable not for home theatre.

it's apple's to oranges



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@ joeorc: You miss my point though. I was talking specifically about 3DS's ability to play 3D movies.

If people buy and watch 3D versions of their favourite movies for 3DS (which will undoubtedly be cheaper than bigscreen Bluray releases), there would be (at the very least) less (and in some cases no) incentive to buy said movies on Bluray to watch on their PS3 and Sony 3D tv's. Why purchase the same movie twice, right? And at a higher price, needing a pricey 3D-capable TV and a Blueray player/PS3, PLUS expensive glasses on top of all that. I could easily see quite a few people forego the latter in favor of the 3DS solution, especially parents with kids. (SOME, not ALL).

Thus Nintendo taking away some of Sony's potential profit, from their TV-, movie-, and PS3 sales. It's only logical.

We'll see, though. I'm not saying this'll happen, just something to take into consideration.



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Cheebee said:

You miss my point though. I was talking specifically about 3DS's ability to play 3D movies.

If people buy and watch 3D versions of their favourite movies for 3DS (which will undoubtedly be cheaper than bigscreen Bluray releases), there would be (at the very least) less (and in some cases no) incentive to buy said movies on Bluray to watch on their PS3 and Sony 3D tv's. Thus Nintendo taking away some of Sony's potential profit. It's only logical.

We'll see, though. I'm not saying this'll happen, just something to take into consideration.

i did not miss it..there is a big difference between portable and Home theatre.

as for cheaper than Blu-Ray releases, do not bet on it.

Blu-Ray is the defacto HD 3D standard the Movie companies are all backing the Blu-Ray format if anything Nintendo would be getting a blu-ray ported release!

that is still not the same Market!

portable will never replace home theatre it's just not going to happen because the screen is too small for the family to enjoy.

even with a connection cable to hook up the 3DS to a TV the resolution would like the PSP suffer.

it's just not going to happen.



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Joeorc, again, you did not read what I said. I never said 3DS would REPLACE home theatre. It won't. But if alternatives to something (anything) appear - in this case 3D movies on 3DS instead of on Bluray and 3D TV's - the original product/format will suffer. Perhaps NOT BY A LOT, but that the alternative will have an impact is a given. It's common sense. The price comment is laughable, I won't elaborate on that.

Then again, you just don't want to see, but I won't judge you for that. You're obviously not open to logical reasoning, so I won't try to convince you since you think your opinion is fact, but that's okay. You go man.

 

We'll see, though.



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calvinandhobbes said:
Farmageddon said:

People said Microsoft presententation with Natal software actually hit well with the "Expanded Audience".

Now, after Nitnendo's conference, do you think a lot of the hype will be stole, specially, but not only, because of the 3DS?

I mean, Microsoft with it's selection of games kind of put itself as a Wii option. But then Nintendo came out with a new, Mario themed, sports collection, another, seemingly different from the others, party game collection, gave space to show Just Dance 2, which wil benefit from recognition a lot against Kinetic's dancing game.

Now, how could they top KineticAnimals? Maybe with Nintendogs... cats... in 3D?

I mean, they had a counter in a more stabilished franchise to just about everything Microsoft offered, and look to be pushing new ideas in areas Microsoft played safer. They also offered more bridge titles, DKC being a huge addition, which will capture a different point of the mainstream that Microsoft kind of forgot about. It's also kind of a Rare Killer if it turns out awesome, specially if GoldenEye rocks too, but that's beyond the point.

Now, Natal would still have the new tech buzz and all that, but I think 3DS has the potential to obliterate it. Not only it has on-the-go-glasses-free-3D gaming (and movie watching), it's got lots of other features, including a 3D camera. I mean, you can actually take 3D pictures anywhere you go. Not only that, but games will use this feature for head orientation and things of the like (an exemple being a dog tilting it's head as you do the same on Nintendogs Cats. This alone, in 3D, will sell a few million copies).

All this combined makes it seem like Natal will have a hard time becoming the big thing.

And the best part is that it'll have both great features and games for members of the not-so-expanded audience. But that's beside the point. Do you think, after this E3 conference, that Nintendo has shown Kinetic will have a hard time shinning as much as Microsoft wants on the mainstream?


I really don't think that using the 3ds in a comparison with kinect is very fair, for one its a handheld. 

that being said, you do have some good points, but i don't agree with you on some of those supposed more established franchises turning out better than what microsoft showed. For one, dance central looks way more appealing and fun than just dance 2. Also, kinect's fitness game looks more effective than anything on the wii, and you don't have to spend extra money of balance boards. As for kinectanimals, well thats up in the air....looks cool as heck though!

i agree with this guy^^^

 

dont forget kinect doesnt launch til november...... how many casual gamers that use the wii take any notice of e3 let alone the hype from the gaming community. I think the casual gamers that microsoft are targeting are the people that watch the talk shows in which microsoft demoes.....



 

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