Forums - Gaming Discussion - So, has Nintendo just killed Kinetic's momentum on the Expanded Crowd?

richardhutnik said:
scorptile said:

lets see it costs rumored 150?? and the wii is 200 hhmmm i think price alone killed it. now the ps move is 40 per controller and to really experience it you need 2. so there is 80 and 20 for the detector i think. but anyways take the price of the ps3 and add in move and it is also doubled the wii's price. the thing i would love to see nintendo to do in the next year or two is come out with a wii HD console and have it to where you can trade in your current wii and upgrade it to the HD for about 50-100 dollars and still hvae the same compatibility as the wii. now that would own big time.

With the PS3, you need the camera, and a Move controler, and also the equivalent of the Nunchuck.  The package for 1 player is over $100.  To add more than one player is $50 per, if not more.  The PS3 bundle with Move is $400.  I want to hear people say how the PS3 version is a good price while the Kinect set up is a rip off.

I also wonder if Nintendo has stole the 3D thunder with the 3DS.  They took repeated shots at the glasses you need for it another way.

no u dont, if u already have the camera, also the camera can be used for others games and video conferencing up to 6 members.

also u can use a sixaxis dualshock as replacement,

only u want the premium experience to have to buy the others. but then it's pretty much same price as the wii remote

but instead of paying extra por motion plus, u pay extra pfor the camera (if u dont have one and u only have to buy one not many motion plus)



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Farmageddon said:

People said Microsoft presententation with Natal software actually hit well with the "Expanded Audience".

Now, after Nitnendo's conference, do you think a lot of the hype will be stole, specially, but not only, because of the 3DS?

I mean, Microsoft with it's selection of games kind of put itself as a Wii option. But then Nintendo came out with a new, Mario themed, sports collection, another, seemingly different from the others, party game collection, gave space to show Just Dance 2, which wil benefit from recognition a lot against Kinetic's dancing game.

Now, how could they top KineticAnimals? Maybe with Nintendogs... cats... in 3D?

I mean, they had a counter in a more stabilished franchise to just about everything Microsoft offered, and look to be pushing new ideas in areas Microsoft played safer. They also offered more bridge titles, DKC being a huge addition, which will capture a different point of the mainstream that Microsoft kind of forgot about. It's also kind of a Rare Killer if it turns out awesome, specially if GoldenEye rocks too, but that's beyond the point.

Now, Natal would still have the new tech buzz and all that, but I think 3DS has the potential to obliterate it. Not only it has on-the-go-glasses-free-3D gaming (and movie watching), it's got lots of other features, including a 3D camera. I mean, you can actually take 3D pictures anywhere you go. Not only that, but games will use this feature for head orientation and things of the like (an exemple being a dog tilting it's head as you do the same on Nintendogs Cats. This alone, in 3D, will sell a few million copies).

All this combined makes it seem like Natal will have a hard time becoming the big thing.

And the best part is that it'll have both great features and games for members of the not-so-expanded audience. But that's beside the point. Do you think, after this E3 conference, that Nintendo has shown Kinetic will have a hard time shinning as much as Microsoft wants on the mainstream?


I really don't think that using the 3ds in a comparison with kinect is very fair, for one its a handheld. 

that being said, you do have some good points, but i don't agree with you on some of those supposed more established franchises turning out better than what microsoft showed. For one, dance central looks way more appealing and fun than just dance 2. Also, kinect's fitness game looks more effective than anything on the wii, and you don't have to spend extra money of balance boards. As for kinectanimals, well thats up in the air....looks cool as heck though!



  Kinect! who needs video games!

I think the very real problem for Kinect and Move now is what the talk of the town is going to be.

I don't think it'll be about HD motion games, motion control is so 4 years ago...

I think true 3d games and movies and pictures without glasses or expensive 3D HDTVs will be what Joe Blow is talking about tomorrow, and oh yeah, you can now play Wii Sports on the HD systems.



 

Doing some web browsing and sure enough, it does look like 3DS (and to a lesser extend Sony's 3D) has killed Kinect's hype and Move is almost totally dis-regarded by main-stream press.

What people will be reading tomorrow:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/16/technology/16sony.html?src=busln

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE65F04D20100616?type=technologyNews



 

calvinandhobbes said:


I really don't think that using the 3ds in a comparison with kinect is very fair, for one its a handheld. 

that being said, you do have some good points, but i don't agree with you on some of those supposed more established franchises turning out better than what microsoft showed. For one, dance central looks way more appealing and fun than just dance 2. Also, kinect's fitness game looks more effective than anything on the wii, and you don't have to spend extra money of balance boards. As for kinectanimals, well thats up in the air....looks cool as heck though!


I see. My point about the more established franchiese is two-fold, and applies to existing Wii owners. They'll have an option now: Simply invest on the newer Wii software, that's in some cases the next step for the software they've already liked so much (and in many cases next step in the sense of adding more than just refiniement), or go for a Xbox360 And Natal And the Software that's pretty much positioned itself as a re-imaging of sorts of the old Wii software you have. Now, clearly they'd need a pretty big incentive to go for the second optionover the first, and I don't think most people would see such incentive.

Now, the "casual" crowd who still haven't got Wii might go directly for Microsoft's sytem, but Nintendo just announced more experiences that are complementary to what there was before: they kept adding experiences instead of just re-doing the same they already have, which means people may now finally find that thing that was laking for them. Critical density might also come into play. But more importantly than any of this, to really tap in this market, and by that I mean to actually compete as an equal on it, Natal would need the spotlight: it would need to be seen by the mainstream as the next big thing in gaming, as the next revolution. And that's the meat of my point: 3DS will be cutting tremendously into it and stealing it's spot. It'll be perceived as a bigger thing, essentially keeping Kinetic from skyrocketing. And that's why I think, in this case, the handheld device can actually be pretty relevant to a console and it's peripheral's sales.



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Totally... totally... :)



selnor said:

No. I have said many times. The casuals dont play Mario Galaxy, etc. They play the minigame stuff and Wii sports. 

Thats why M$ focused on those types of games. They were advanced types of those games. And much more interactive. They will definately steel Wii sales this holiday.


With your Xbox fueled signature and lack of substantiated proof, I cannot help but believe you.



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SaviorX said:
selnor said:

No. I have said many times. The casuals dont play Mario Galaxy, etc. They play the minigame stuff and Wii sports. 

Thats why M$ focused on those types of games. They were advanced types of those games. And much more interactive. They will definately steel Wii sales this holiday.


With your Xbox fueled signature and lack of substantiated proof, I cannot help but believe you.


Aunties, Uncles, Mums, Dads. They only own Mini game type games. Mario is the hardcore Nintendo Audience. My mum would never play Mario Galaxy. Nor my Dad. 



50 for move and 30 for navigator but the move needs the eye toy which is $100 so all that is 180 kinetic is cheaper



First off 3DS is a handheld and just like Kinect pricing hasnt been announced.

Second search outside gaming sites and Kinect is getting great mainstream press and the full body control is getting rave reviews and creating a great deal of excitement.

Third a 360 with Kinect will run you $300 at Kinect launch. Only if you are in denial do you not realize that MS will release a new Arcade model once the channel is cleared of existing 360 Arcades and Elites.  And for those interested in fitness games you wont have to spend an extra $100 on a board (1 out of 2 Wii's sells with a Wii Board).



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.