I think the very real problem for Kinect and Move now is what the talk of the town is going to be.

I don't think it'll be about HD motion games, motion control is so 4 years ago...

I think true 3d games and movies and pictures without glasses or expensive 3D HDTVs will be what Joe Blow is talking about tomorrow, and oh yeah, you can now play Wii Sports on the HD systems.

Doing some web browsing and sure enough, it does look like 3DS (and to a lesser extend Sony's 3D) has killed Kinect's hype and Move is almost totally dis-regarded by main-stream press.

What people will be reading tomorrow:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/16/technology/16sony.html?src=busln

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE65F04D20100616?type=technologyNews

I see. My point about the more established franchiese is two-fold, and applies to existing Wii owners. They'll have an option now: Simply invest on the newer Wii software, that's in some cases the next step for the software they've already liked so much (and in many cases next step in the sense of adding more than just refiniement), or go for a Xbox360 And Natal And the Software that's pretty much positioned itself as a re-imaging of sorts of the old Wii software you have. Now, clearly they'd need a pretty big incentive to go for the second optionover the first, and I don't think most people would see such incentive.

Now, the "casual" crowd who still haven't got Wii might go directly for Microsoft's sytem, but Nintendo just announced more experiences that are complementary to what there was before: they kept adding experiences instead of just re-doing the same they already have, which means people may now finally find that thing that was laking for them. Critical density might also come into play. But more importantly than any of this, to really tap in this market, and by that I mean to actually compete as an equal on it, Natal would need the spotlight: it would need to be seen by the mainstream as the next big thing in gaming, as the next revolution. And that's the meat of my point: 3DS will be cutting tremendously into it and stealing it's spot. It'll be perceived as a bigger thing, essentially keeping Kinetic from skyrocketing. And that's why I think, in this case, the handheld device can actually be pretty relevant to a console and it's peripheral's sales.

Totally... totally... :)

With your Xbox fueled signature and lack of substantiated proof, I cannot help but believe you.

Aunties, Uncles, Mums, Dads. They only own Mini game type games. Mario is the hardcore Nintendo Audience. My mum would never play Mario Galaxy. Nor my Dad. 

50 for move and 30 for navigator but the move needs the eye toy which is $100 so all that is 180 kinetic is cheaper

First off 3DS is a handheld and just like Kinect pricing hasnt been announced.

Second search outside gaming sites and Kinect is getting great mainstream press and the full body control is getting rave reviews and creating a great deal of excitement.

Third a 360 with Kinect will run you $300 at Kinect launch. Only if you are in denial do you not realize that MS will release a new Arcade model once the channel is cleared of existing 360 Arcades and Elites.  And for those interested in fitness games you wont have to spend an extra $100 on a board (1 out of 2 Wii's sells with a Wii Board).

^^ROFL kinect $149 stand alone no games included cheapest model.

You have a link from ms for any pricing or package info? I haven't seen one yet