Ummm... guys. The navigation controller is optional for those that can't hold a dualshock with one hand... That's why SONY's not throwing it into any bundles... YOU DON'T NEED IT to play move titles.

http://scei.co.jp/corporate/release/100311e.html

When the MOVE was first demo'd with a game [RE5] it was played with a Wand and DualShock.

No. I have said many times. The casuals dont play Mario Galaxy, etc. They play the minigame stuff and Wii sports. 

Thats why M$ focused on those types of games. They were advanced types of those games. And much more interactive. They will definately steel Wii sales this holiday.

Eeeeww. Really? 

That is not accessable to casuals in anyway.

The casuals dont want all those buttons. Even not using them, they are daunted by it. My mum plays wii. But shouldnt wouldnt play it with a full controller in one hand. 

This is where Kinect is on the money. It simplifies yet improves casual games over Wii. Were yet to see core games really use it. So Sony has it here. But casual wise M$ is in front row.

EDIT:

Wii's new dancing game, will get eaten alive by Dance Central. Not even in the same league for the dance dance fans out there.

Do you think these casuals play NSMBW?

Eeeeww. Really? 

That is not accessable to casuals in anyway.

The casuals dont want all those buttons. Even not using them, they are daunted by it. My mum plays wii. But shouldnt wouldnt play it with a full controller in one hand. 

This is where Kinect is on the money. It simplifies yet improves casual games over Wii. Were yet to see core games really use it. So Sony has it here. But casual wise M$ is in front row.

EDIT:

Wii's new dancing game, will get eaten alive by Dance Central. Not even in the same league for the dance dance fans out there.

Tough one. I know my aunty, and mum wouldnt. They are casuals. They just want less buttons to press and more bowling etc. 

For example. They love Kinect. My dads present to themselves is gonna be 360 and Kinect for Xmas. My dad is fed up of winning Wii bowling sat drinking coffee. He says it's flicking his wrist not motion control. 

With Kinect you just cant do that.

With the PS3, you need the camera, and a Move controler, and also the equivalent of the Nunchuck.  The package for 1 player is over $100.  To add more than one player is $50 per, if not more.  The PS3 bundle with Move is $400.  I want to hear people say how the PS3 version is a good price while the Kinect set up is a rip off.

I also wonder if Nintendo has stole the 3D thunder with the 3DS.  They took repeated shots at the glasses you need for it another way.

People said Microsoft presententation with Natal software actually hit well with the "Expanded Audience".

Now, after Nitnendo's conference, do you think a lot of the hype will be stole, specially, but not only, because of the 3DS?

I mean, Microsoft with it's selection of games kind of put itself as a Wii option. But then Nintendo came out with a new, Mario themed, sports collection, another, seemingly different from the others, party game collection, gave space to show Just Dance 2, which wil benefit from recognition a lot against Kinetic's dancing game.

Now, how could they top KineticAnimals? Maybe with Nintendogs... cats... in 3D?

I mean, they had a counter in a more stabilished franchise to just about everything Microsoft offered, and look to be pushing new ideas in areas Microsoft played safer. They also offered more bridge titles, DKC being a huge addition, which will capture a different point of the mainstream that Microsoft kind of forgot about. It's also kind of a Rare Killer if it turns out awesome, specially if GoldenEye rocks too, but that's beyond the point.

Now, Natal would still have the new tech buzz and all that, but I think 3DS has the potential to obliterate it. Not only it has on-the-go-glasses-free-3D gaming (and movie watching), it's got lots of other features, including a 3D camera. I mean, you can actually take 3D pictures anywhere you go. Not only that, but games will use this feature for head orientation and things of the like (an exemple being a dog tilting it's head as you do the same on Nintendogs Cats. This alone, in 3D, will sell a few million copies).

All this combined makes it seem like Natal will have a hard time becoming the big thing.

And the best part is that it'll have both great features and games for members of the not-so-expanded audience. But that's beside the point. Do you think, after this E3 conference, that Nintendo has shown Kinetic will have a hard time shinning as much as Microsoft wants on the mainstream?