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BannedOne said:
jason1637 said:

https://youtu.be/qUU2iWxrH2M

Saw that video earlier today and it's interesting. Democrats are just using illegal immigrants to gain more votes but they used to be anti illegal immigration just over a decade ago. 

Yes. That video is right on the money. If they didn't want the votes of illegal aliens then they wouldn't challenge every voter id law. What else could be their reason other than getting the votes of aliens to circumvent the democratic will of the American people.

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jason1637 said:
Jumpin said:

They do? I am not seeing this on their policy positions among any Democrats. Which elected Democratic politician supports illegal immigration?

Their party platform from 2016 states that they want to give a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants that have followed the laws I'm the US.

That's about making citizens of law-abiding people who are already living in the country; very different than pro-illegal immigration. I'm asking for names of actual Democratic politicians who are in support of illegal immigration.

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Jumpin said:
jason1637 said:

Their party platform from 2016 states that they want to give a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants that have followed the laws I'm the US.

That's about making citizens of law-abiding people who are already living in the country; very different than pro-illegal immigration. I'm asking for names of actual Democratic politicians who are in support of illegal immigration.

That's the same thing. Giving citizenship to illegal immigrants is supporting illegal immigration. 



Mr Puggsly said:
Puppyroach said:

But they can't vote so what you are saying in that case is that illegal immigrants are a problem you if they receive legal status and can vote, i.e legal immigrants are a problem since they primarily vote Democrat. How could illegal immigrants otherwise be a problem since they can't vote?

The left considers illegals their whether or not they get an opportunity to vote and the children will become their base. There is certainly a push to give illegals voting rights.

I'm suggesting this is why dems have changed their tune on illegal immigration and praises them, its really their base.

It's more like some republicans are trying to destroy the very concept that made them Americans in the first place, and are using anti-Hispanic fear to push the issue. Illegals can't vote. Trump and his followers are trying to use this notion to delegitimize democratic wins, using this to cause unrest among his base.



jason1637 said:
Jumpin said:

That's about making citizens of law-abiding people who are already living in the country; very different than pro-illegal immigration. I'm asking for names of actual Democratic politicians who are in support of illegal immigration.

That's the same thing. Giving citizenship to illegal immigrants is supporting illegal immigration. 

He's talking about amnesty and path to citizenship. 

Calling it pro-illegal immigration is disingenuous.



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jason1637 said:
Jumpin said:

That's about making citizens of law-abiding people who are already living in the country; very different than pro-illegal immigration. I'm asking for names of actual Democratic politicians who are in support of illegal immigration.

That's the same thing. Giving citizenship to illegal immigrants is supporting illegal immigration. 

So by your reasoning, a person that commits a crime should be put into prison for the rest of their lives, regardless of their crime, otherwise you support the crime right? 😊



Puppyroach said:
jason1637 said:

That's the same thing. Giving citizenship to illegal immigrants is supporting illegal immigration. 

So by your reasoning, a person that commits a crime should be put into prison for the rest of their lives, regardless of their crime, otherwise you support the crime right? 😊

No. If you commit a crime you should be punished accordingly to what you did.



jason1637 said:
Jumpin said:

That's about making citizens of law-abiding people who are already living in the country; very different than pro-illegal immigration. I'm asking for names of actual Democratic politicians who are in support of illegal immigration.

That's the same thing. Giving citizenship to illegal immigrants is supporting illegal immigration. 

Now I am understanding why people think along the lines like you do.  First you throw out that this has been something both sides have talked about for the last few decades, next you conflate giving amnesty to meaning supporting illegal immigration.  I am guessing as long as the party you support isn't talking about it now it means illegal immigration.  When the next time its a subject for Republicans you probably will have a different tune.  



Machiavellian said:
jason1637 said:

That's the same thing. Giving citizenship to illegal immigrants is supporting illegal immigration. 

Now I am understanding why people think along the lines like you do.  First you throw out that this has been something both sides have talked about for the last few decades, next you conflate giving amnesty to meaning supporting illegal immigration.  I am guessing as long as the party you support isn't talking about it now it means illegal immigration.  When the next time its a subject for Republicans you probably will have a different tune.  

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I support illegal immigration to some extent. Mostly giving a path to citizenship to kids brought here by their parents but at the same time we should increase border security to stop those from coming in illegally and have become stricter on those that stay here when their visa have expired. But i don't support just giving a path to citizenship to all illegal immigrants following the laws.



jason1637 said:
Machiavellian said:

Now I am understanding why people think along the lines like you do.  First you throw out that this has been something both sides have talked about for the last few decades, next you conflate giving amnesty to meaning supporting illegal immigration.  I am guessing as long as the party you support isn't talking about it now it means illegal immigration.  When the next time its a subject for Republicans you probably will have a different tune.  

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I support illegal immigration to some extent. Mostly giving a path to citizenship to kids brought here by their parents but at the same time we should increase border security to stop those from coming in illegally and have become stricter on those that stay here when their visa have expired. But i don't support just giving a path to citizenship to all illegal immigrants following the laws.

From your last statement how do you conclude giving amnesty as being supporting illegal immigration.  If you want to understand what the Dems support then go back to the gang of 8 from 2013 bill they tried to pass which was a bipartisan effort.  All the things you list were on that bill, increase border security, stricter enforcement on expired visas etc.  The thing is it took 10 years to become a citizen for people seeking citizenship and there were a lot of rules that had to be followed in order to make it.  There was no amnesty for all and the effort was to make it easier to find people who probably should be deported for people who are looking to become legal.