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Machiavellian on 07 November 2018
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iron_megalith said:
Machiavellian said:

The 2 are not the same.  Giving amnesty to someone in prison isn't also equal to not enforcing our criminal justice system.  There are many reasons to give amnesty and its not black or white.  I already gave a detail reason why I believe amnesty has been brought up by both parties and its really not about rewarding illegal immigration instead its really about money.  If you every want to really understand what drives policy in the US, follow the money trail because you can believe it's helping one section or another.

As for California, I have no clue about the state.  I do not live there so its not something I concern myself with.  Doing a quick search it seems that California has been mostly blue due to the biggest cities being democrats.  From what I can see there are some very conservative parts and some moderates.  I highly doubt California will ever go GOP if the biggest cities always vote blue.  

I know very well this is what drives everything. Sure you can argue that the illegal immigrants are filling in for the jobs but that doesn't discount the fact that these things were allowed to take place in the first place. It's highly exploitable given the current situation that we have right now. I would rather see the democrats voice a fair reform for immigration and also push for tougher immigration before forcefully providing any amnesty for current illegal immigrants. Till then, I consider the democrats in California to be full of shit and would rather play the sympathy game.

My argument still stands, it's still unfair to cater to them no matter you look at it. People want a piece of that pie but someone got to it before they did because someone cut in the lines. If someone says it's not an issue because there's a lot of that pie, then let's all say fuck the line and induce anarchy. May the best man win.

2013 the Dems did attempt a bipartisan bill but it was turned down in the house by the GOP.  Read up on the gang of 8 and the immigration reform they tried to get through and see if you support the measures they were trying to do.  There is history even back in 2006 when immigration reform was also attempted but failed.

The problem today is that we already have people here who work and live in the US for decades working in industries that need their support.  The US allowed this to happen because you just like many other Americans including myself enjoyed the benefits of that cheap labor.  The US is as much at fault as the illegal immigrant since we knew what was happening for years but turned a blind eye. Both sides were more than happy to accept the cheap labor and enjoy those people not having a say in US elections.  Now that their is a critical mass, its become a major topic and used to play on people fears because it plays well in politics.  To plug the whole, we need to handle the people who have lived here for years and probably provide working visas for people who work in the service and agricultural industries so they can get decent wages and go back to their country which most would probably do.  What would definitely be unethical is to just deport them all, split their families or nuke those industries and the economy.  The US has to own up to their own complicit involvement with this issue and develop better immigration reform that meets the need of the economy and the workers.