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Machiavellian said:
iron_megalith said:

Now regarding who has blood in their hands, there have been constant shifts between republican and democrat administrations to simply say which side is truly at fault. Regardless of which, the fact of the matter is that the topic of immigration is being used in such a dirty manner by both sides. The biggest offender for this IMO is the vocal democrats who are using this as a campaign slogan that suggests to just bypass things instead of actually suggesting a proper long term and fair solution.

This is what I am talking about.  Exactly where have you read that democrats what to bypass our current immigration laws.  Please provide the actual democrat that want this and not some right wing talking point or the President himself who just spout crap without any evidence to his claims.  Here are some articles I found on the issue.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/27/us/politics/fast-check-donald-trump-democrats-open-borders.html

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/07/calls-to-abolish-ice-not-open-borders/

I wonder if you have not fallen for an old political trick.  

No I didn't. I've seen enough political ads here in California to form my own opinion. The only thing they're standing up for is the "immigrants regardless of status" meaning including illegal immigrants.

I've yet to see a democratic political ad here in my area that talks about reform and fairness in immigration policy.

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jason1637 said:

https://youtu.be/qUU2iWxrH2M

Saw that video earlier today and it's interesting. Democrats are just using illegal immigrants to gain more votes but they used to be anti illegal immigration just over a decade ago. 

Yes. That video is right on the money. If they didn't want the votes of illegal aliens then they wouldn't challenge every voter id law. What else could be their reason other than getting the votes of aliens to circumvent the democratic will of the American people.



1.2 billion people in South Africa and around 500 million in South America. How many of those could have their life style enhanced by given a chance in the US. We could support them by increasing taxes to 80+% . Just enough to buy food and cut waste spending like on video games. Open borders, how many is enough and who are the unluckys that miss out and starve we'll we game.



They do? I am not seeing this on their policy positions among any Democrats. Which elected Democratic politician supports illegal immigration?



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Jicale said:
1.2 billion people in South Africa and around 500 million in South America. How many of those could have their life style enhanced by given a chance in the US. We could support them by increasing taxes to 80+% . Just enough to buy food and cut waste spending like on video games. Open borders, how many is enough and who are the unluckys that miss out and starve we'll we game.

Keep in mind that it starts out as 1.2 billion in Africa and 500 million in South America. If we feed them completely and they get comfortable they are going to breed more and now costs could easily double. The only way they are going to improve for those countries is if they become more educated, responsible and stop putting up with criminals.



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Jumpin said:

They do? I am not seeing this on their policy positions among any Democrats. Which elected Democratic politician supports illegal immigration?

Their party platform from 2016 states that they want to give a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants that have followed the laws I'm the US.



jason1637 said:
Jumpin said:

They do? I am not seeing this on their policy positions among any Democrats. Which elected Democratic politician supports illegal immigration?

Their party platform from 2016 states that they want to give a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants that have followed the laws I'm the US.

Yes, so how is that supporting illegal immigration.  Also this is for the dreamers, you know children that are undocumented living in the US already.  I guess if you totally just dismiss the other parts of their platform on immigration then you can try to make a case but you would still be wrong.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/27/us/politics/fast-check-donald-trump-democrats-open-borders.html



iron_megalith said:
Machiavellian said:

This is what I am talking about.  Exactly where have you read that democrats what to bypass our current immigration laws.  Please provide the actual democrat that want this and not some right wing talking point or the President himself who just spout crap without any evidence to his claims.  Here are some articles I found on the issue.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/27/us/politics/fast-check-donald-trump-democrats-open-borders.html

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/07/calls-to-abolish-ice-not-open-borders/

I wonder if you have not fallen for an old political trick.  

No I didn't. I've seen enough political ads here in California to form my own opinion. The only thing they're standing up for is the "immigrants regardless of status" meaning including illegal immigrants.

I've yet to see a democratic political ad here in my area that talks about reform and fairness in immigration policy.

If you are watching ads and forming your own theory then yes you have fallen for political tricks.  Ads used by all political parties are barely thinned white lies to support one or the other message.  The last thing I ever do is watch an ad then form some opinion.  I have seen Dems and Republicans play that game way to much.

As the links I have included show, there are absolutly no Dem that support open boarders.  They have consistently signed bills to support the boarder, law enforcement and agency toward illegal immigration not just at the boarder.  If you want to show how the Dems vote on such matters then that would be evidence.  If you are using ads to support your opinion then you have fallen for the trick whether you admit it or not.



Machiavellian said:
jason1637 said:

Their party platform from 2016 states that they want to give a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants that have followed the laws I'm the US.

Yes, so how is that supporting illegal immigration.  Also this is for the dreamers, you know children that are undocumented living in the US already.  I guess if you totally just dismiss the other parts of their platform on immigration then you can try to make a case but you would still be wrong.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/27/us/politics/fast-check-donald-trump-democrats-open-borders.html

Their platform does not only refer to dreamers but every illegal immigrant in the US that follows the laws. Given citezenship to those that come here illegally is supporting illegal immigration.



jason1637 said:
Megiddo said:
You are aware that seeking asylum is in no way illegal, correct? Like you have a fundamental understanding of the topic at hand?

I know that but there are still many immigrants that just cross the border. We should make it easier for refuges and asylum seekers since Latin and South America has become more dangerous over the years but just crossing the border is wrong.

That's the thing though, I watch a lot of CNN like the libtard cuck that I am and I have yet to hear a democrat say "open the borders." This talk of open borders, I don't know where people get that from.



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