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You can say the same about the West, they doesn't get Japan either. Look at Microsoft for example with Xbox, the OG and 360 sold next to nothing there and MS might not even release the One in Japan. Like the other here saying developers should just be themselves and make the games they want to make not worry about having to make the game appeal to average dude bro who plays COD, see RE6 for what I mean when a Japanese developer sells out their creative vision.



 

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and this video shoots itself in the foot by mentioning Inafune. Here's the thing: that interview he was citing had Inafune claim the Bionic Commando reboot did well in the West. Except it didn't. It BOMBED in the West both critically and commercially. In fact, Inafune had an interesting history with attempts to Westernize series only to have them blow up in his face. Bionic Commando, Lost Planet 2, DmC: Devil May Cry were all games he produced but when he was obviously pushing to Westernize them they were all flops. The only one that succeeded was Dead Rising 2.

Seems to me that Inafune is the one living in his own little world, especially since a LOT of companies are unashamed of being Japanesey such as Atlus, xSeed, From Software, and Nippon Ichi Software. When you have success stories like that (as well as Namco localizing JOJO'S BIZARRE ADVENTURE), the entire argument just falls apart.



Well, SE thinks the West actually likes Lightning more than Cloud or Squall.



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Devil_Survivor said:
You can say the same about the West, they doesn't get Japan either. Look at Microsoft for example with Xbox, the OG and 360 sold next to nothing there and MS might not even release the One in Japan. Like the other here saying developers should just be themselves and make the games they want to make not worry about having to make the game appeal to average dude bro who plays COD, see RE6 for what I mean when a Japanese developer sells out their creative vision.

No not really, japan is just very anti things not japanese.  car electronics what ever.



Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

Well, I don't get why Japanese developers are changing their games to appeal to western audiences... Isn't what made their games great was cause they made games they way they knew how to make them and not trying to make them in a different way? Like, yes, NA and EU are big markets but when you go from FFVII to FFXIII:LR or RE:4 to RE:6 and etc, not only have you lost what made them great games and made your company such who they are but the sales are also not as high as it was expected... Like come on...

I think the perfect example really is Nintendo cause they havn't really changed their ways. Sure they create new ways to play their games like Galaxy, Sunshine, 3d World and etc but the core formula is still there which is why many people still love their games... Sure the wiiU is doing poorly but I doubt its cause their games are bad. If Nintendo made 3d world for the ps4, i am sure people would eat it up like crazy... Whatever sales the wiiU gets and will get is soley based on the people that love Nintendo games and people love Nintendo games cause the core formula is still there... Nintendo's first party still sells well than most of the first party in any other consoles even after all these years

I couldn't have said it any better myself. This is exactly right.



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Devil_Survivor said:
You can say the same about the West, they doesn't get Japan either. Look at Microsoft for example with Xbox, the OG and 360 sold next to nothing there and MS might not even release the One in Japan. Like the other here saying developers should just be themselves and make the games they want to make not worry about having to make the game appeal to average dude bro who plays COD, see RE6 for what I mean when a Japanese developer sells out their creative vision.


If MS wanted to do much better in Japan they would simply have to buy major support regularly, but that simply isn't a worthwhile eandeavor. Buying western exclusives appeals to a wider audience.

Sony does nothing really to appeal to the Japanese audience, they simply rely on 3rd parties. People in Japan buy Playstation consoles because they know its going to get the best 3rd party support. Sony knows that as well, so they cater to western audiences.

Why shouldn't MS release the X1 in Japan? What other countries would you like to deprive of the X1? Its going to be available in many.



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Aiddon said:
and this video shoots itself in the foot by mentioning Inafune. Here's the thing: that interview he was citing had Inafune claim the Bionic Commando reboot did well in the West. Except it didn't. It BOMBED in the West both critically and commercially. In fact, Inafune had an interesting history with attempts to Westernize series only to have them blow up in his face. Bionic Commando, Lost Planet 2, DmC: Devil May Cry were all games he produced but when he was obviously pushing to Westernize them they were all flops. The only one that succeeded was Dead Rising 2.


I don't know much about games like Bionic Commando, Lost Planet 2, or Devil May Cry.  

However, I don't think Keiji Inafune had anything to do with DmC.



This guy sounds more butt hurt and offended than anything else. Why can't Japan just be Japan instead of trying to force them to be like us? As if it's such a horrible offense they aren't dying to be like us. More studios should maintain their identities instead of watering them down for our fastfood/doritios culture. All that shit is based on bubbles and popularity anyways do people really think COD is gonna last forever? Like Tony Hawk and Guitar Hero? They need to go back the universal, archetypal ideas they once had in games like Final Fantasy, Silent Hill, Resident Evil, etc. I also find it hypocritical that he's so angry they aren't taking time to understand and do things our way, while we are doing none of that for them. When have we ever taken the time to understand and do things someone else's way? Never perhaps? Conformity is such a huge part of culture from dress, to speech, interests, etc. Pot call the kettle black they're just doing to us what we do to EVERYONE. I guess conformity isn't so fun when another country does it as strongly as yours.

Tbh I love small American studios, some of my favourite games of late have been from them because they have a solid and unique identity, just like the Japanese did and they should stop comprising for the sake of halocodgta and Mountain Dew. I'm tiring of mainstream western studios, I have 15 Xbox games from various studios and franchises and 9 of them have the exact same controls, hand holding, and overly guided game play. It's not even fun, I don't do anything in these games, I just walk and shoot for 10 hours, anything complex or difficult is rubbed out or done for me.

Ugh don't get me started on culturally self-entitled gamers "Every studio everywhere has to appeal to me and my fat body! None of that nintendo japanese shit!" God forbid someone do something kinda different and not try to appeal to you and your basic interests.



BeElite said:
Devil_Survivor said:
You can say the same about the West, they doesn't get Japan either. Look at Microsoft for example with Xbox, the OG and 360 sold next to nothing there and MS might not even release the One in Japan. Like the other here saying developers should just be themselves and make the games they want to make not worry about having to make the game appeal to average dude bro who plays COD, see RE6 for what I mean when a Japanese developer sells out their creative vision.

No not really, japan is just very anti things not japanese.  car electronics what ever.


You know that's funny, because the Iphone has the biggest smart phone market share in Japan and that's an American phone.....



 

Devil_Survivor said:
BeElite said:
Devil_Survivor said:
You can say the same about the West, they doesn't get Japan either. Look at Microsoft for example with Xbox, the OG and 360 sold next to nothing there and MS might not even release the One in Japan. Like the other here saying developers should just be themselves and make the games they want to make not worry about having to make the game appeal to average dude bro who plays COD, see RE6 for what I mean when a Japanese developer sells out their creative vision.

No not really, japan is just very anti things not japanese.  car electronics what ever.


You know that's funny, because the Iphone has the biggest smart phone in Japan and that's an American phone.....

Fuuny is your sentance makes no sense 

reality is they are a very fadish people they jump on stuff hard but show me overall japan cell sales ?  id wager a guess majority are Japanese brands.