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VGKing said:
ironman said:

Hmm, he gets banned for it regularly, and you say he gets away with it??? There is something wrong with your reasoning here. 

He hasn't been banned for it, at least not since Monthly Ban Reports started being made.

if he hasn't been banned for it, then one of two things happened, either he didn't do it, or nobody reported it. he and I used to butt heads regularly back when I was an active member and even then he rarely said anythingthing that warrented a ban. He came darn close, but never crossed that line. 



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Shinobi-san said:

I guess my example was too extreme.

But something needs to be done about repeat offenders, they just dont take offenses seriously enough, especially posters who have been here for a long time.

And maybe if there was some sort of rule that dealt with users who are repeatingly offending for a consistant period of time, then Carl might not have had such a long ban history.  Loving Carl isnt a good enough reason to not help move the community past the constant fanboy bickering that goes on in almost every thread.

 

We (the mods) even have a dedicated page for the "Hot Users".
(Includes all kinds of moderations, so it may include double or overturned moderations for some users)

User Times Moderated in past 3 Months
ethomaz 8
VGKing 7
Somini 6
think-man 6
tres 6
Akvod 5
theshonen8899 5
Grandia 5
Piernik 5
Turkish 5
SxyxS 5
Play4Fun 5
Argh_College 5
happydolphin 5
KingHades 5
Goatseye 5
Th3PANO 5
blublibla 5
Dr.JimmyRustles 5
Heavenly_King 4
dallas 4
SMACKDOWNER 4
kowenicki 4
SOLIDSNAKE08 4
S.T.A.G.E. 4
Lostplanet22 4
dsgrue3 4
M.U.G.E.N 4
JayWood2010 4
Ji99saw 4
man-bear-pig 4
tonymarraffa 4
Jega 4
maxnyc 4
POE 4
MB1025 4
LilChicken22 4
twilight_link 4
mutantclown 4
Jozu 4
Gugerface 4


I highlighted the already permabanned users. Now do you really think we should also permaban some of our most contributing users such as ethomaz, VGKing, happydolphin, kowenicki, S.T.A.G.E. and man-bear-pig ?

(I didn't mention M.U.G.E.N since the last two moderations were requested)



yo_john117 said:
Shinobi-san said:

I guess my example was too extreme.

But something needs to be done about repeat offenders, they just dont take offenses seriously enough, especially posters who have been here for a long time.

And maybe if there was some sort of rule that dealt with users who are repeatingly offending for a consistant period of time, then Carl might not have had such a long ban history.  Loving Carl isnt a good enough reason to not help move the community past the constant fanboy bickering that goes on in almost every thread.

 

But the thing is, we need to take the most balanced route that we can when moderating people. There is no one moderation fits all; we do things by a case to case basis because there are a plethora of different aspects to consider. There are a lot of people that are great users but can sometimes lose their cool or get offended a bit easy, most moderations that I've seen from my time on this site would fall in that category. From what I've seen, whenever there is a repeat offender who obviously doesn't add much to the site, he is shown the door rather quickly.

@first bolded, I dont have an issue with this. But if this "great" user is regularly loosing their cool or insulting other users, or clearly has some sort of agenda then this user isnt as great as we think they are. Someone from the MOD team needs to address it directly either by a serious warning or something. Otherwise its like a free for all.

@second bolded, here is where i completely disagree. Your basically implying that repeat offenders who do add to this site gets some sort of leniency towards them. In fact whether you implied it or not its irrelevant, because we all know it happens. This should never be the case. Special treatment is never the answer. And like i said if you have something in place to address the issue then long standing members will learn not to break the rules.

Just wanted to make something else clear about my original point: Having a long ban history doesnt necessarily mean that user should have been permabanned etc. But if this behaviour happend from week to week or month to month over a prolonged perioud of time then something needs to happen irrespective of that users post count, thread creation rate or general awesomeness. I think its a more than reasonable suggestion and you guys should look into some sort of way of dealing with it. Maybe not my solution but something that also addresses the problem. The mod team would first have to all agree that there is a problem though and im not sure what their stance is on that.Some people are perfectly happy with the way things are now.

Personally i feel the community is on a downward trajectory, and im not talking about the usual  "OMG this place was awesome in 07" arguments. Im talking about the actual discussions and how they progress from OP to last post. Its not pleasant if your an active member on the forums. And i think we can all agree that there are a lot of members that are leaving because of this. Funnily enough if you go and have a look at those threads and try and find out what/who was the cause of this shitstorm that went on here.....you will find the same people that are on your monthly ban reports at the heart of the issue. Its as clear as day to me.

Anyways...thanks for responding though yo_john!

 



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Barozi said:

We (the mods) even have a dedicated page for the "Hot Users".
(Includes all kinds of moderations, so it may include double or overturned moderations for some users)

User Times Moderated in past 3 Months
ethomaz 8
VGKing 7
Somini 6
think-man 6
tres 6
Akvod 5
theshonen8899 5
Grandia 5
Piernik 5
Turkish 5
SxyxS 5
Play4Fun 5
Argh_College 5
happydolphin 5
KingHades 5
Goatseye 5
Th3PANO 5
blublibla 5
Dr.JimmyRustles 5
Heavenly_King 4
dallas 4
SMACKDOWNER 4
kowenicki 4
SOLIDSNAKE08 4
S.T.A.G.E. 4
Lostplanet22 4
dsgrue3 4
M.U.G.E.N 4
JayWood2010 4
Ji99saw 4
man-bear-pig 4
tonymarraffa 4
Jega 4
maxnyc 4
POE 4
MB1025 4
LilChicken22 4
twilight_link 4
mutantclown 4
Jozu 4
Gugerface 4


I highlighted the already permabanned users. Now do you really think we should also permaban some of our most contributing users such as ethomaz, VGKing, happydolphin, kowenicki, S.T.A.G.E. and man-bear-pig ?

(I didn't mention M.U.G.E.N since the last two moderations were requested)

Quite frankly yes i do.

Depending on the type of moderation ofcourse. But lets take Ethomaz as an example...

Lets say all 8 of Ethomaz's bans was because of blatant trolling...(obviously its not im just trying to make an example) then by all means, he needs to go irrespective of hes contribution.

And to be honest these users will not appear so frequently on the ban list if they know they will get permabanned. Just because people contribute by creating threads and posting does not give them the right to disobey forum rules. Its a very weak argument.

Edit: When i said "he needs to go", it doesnt necessarily mean instant permaban. But just anything to make it clear to them what they are doing, and if they do it again they will get permabanned. Otherwise nothing will really come of the moderation. It will get to a point where certain users are unbannable because of their contribution. Thats ridiculous. This community is waaaaay bigger than 6 very active posters/thread creators.



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yo_john117 said:

The thing is Vgking, he didn't insult you. Just like you, he is entitled to his own opinion as long as he is repectful and civilized about it.

Good to know. So I can insult other users as long as I am respectful.

Carl2291 said:

I very, very nearly got banned for insulting spurgeonryan around Dec/Jan.

I also got warned for calling people who got banned for trolling, trolls.

Mods can post my mod history here if they want. Other than that, Ive not insulted a user. Care to post proof?

Well I guess the mods have spoken. Here's why I personally don't like you, Carl.

You post your opinion about me, on multiple occassions, which I told you I find insulting. You play the innocent by pretenting that your comments aren't offensive. They are, I've told you I find them offensive and rude. So here's my advice to you. Get over yourself. You're going run into people you don't like all the time. Deal with it. There are a few other users I'm not too fond off in this forum. I usually ignore them when they post a stupid reply I find annoying. Guess I have to add you to my list. Add me to yours. 



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The top 4 on that list have something similar eh?



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Barozi said:
Shinobi-san said:

I guess my example was too extreme.

But something needs to be done about repeat offenders, they just dont take offenses seriously enough, especially posters who have been here for a long time.

And maybe if there was some sort of rule that dealt with users who are repeatingly offending for a consistant period of time, then Carl might not have had such a long ban history.  Loving Carl isnt a good enough reason to not help move the community past the constant fanboy bickering that goes on in almost every thread.

 

We (the mods) even have a dedicated page for the "Hot Users".
(Includes all kinds of moderations, so it may include double or overturned moderations for some users)

User Times Moderated in past 3 Months
ethomaz 8
VGKing 7
Somini 6
think-man 6
tres 6
Akvod 5
theshonen8899 5
Grandia 5
Piernik 5
Turkish 5
SxyxS 5
Play4Fun 5
Argh_College 5
happydolphin 5
KingHades 5
Goatseye 5
Th3PANO 5
blublibla 5
Dr.JimmyRustles 5
Heavenly_King 4
dallas 4
SMACKDOWNER 4
kowenicki 4
SOLIDSNAKE08 4
S.T.A.G.E. 4
Lostplanet22 4
dsgrue3 4
M.U.G.E.N 4
JayWood2010 4
Ji99saw 4
man-bear-pig 4
tonymarraffa 4
Jega 4
maxnyc 4
POE 4
MB1025 4
LilChicken22 4
twilight_link 4
mutantclown 4
Jozu 4
Gugerface 4


I highlighted the already permabanned users. Now do you really think we should also permaban some of our most contributing users such as ethomaz, VGKing, happydolphin, kowenicki, S.T.A.G.E. and man-bear-pig ?

(I didn't mention M.U.G.E.N since the last two moderations were requested)

I'm assuming this includes warnings? Because I know I didn't get banned 7 times.....



VGKing said:

I'm assuming this includes warnings? Because I know I didn't get banned 7 times.....


Moderations.

Moderations dont always end up in a ban.



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VGKing said:
yo_john117 said:

Well I guess the mods have spoken. Here's why I personally don't like you, Carl.

You post your opinion about me, on multiple occassions, which I told you I find insulting. You play the innocent by pretenting that your comments aren't offensive. They are, I've told you I find them offensive and rude. So here's my advice to you. Get over yourself. You're going run into people you don't like all the time. Deal with it. There are a few other users I'm not too fond off in this forum. I usually ignore them when they post a stupid reply I find annoying. Guess I have to add you to my list. Add me to yours. 


A little too serious there, aren't we?



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VGKing said:
yo_john117 said:

The thing is Vgking, he didn't insult you. Just like you, he is entitled to his own opinion as long as he is repectful and civilized about it.

Good to know. So I can insult other users as long as I am respectful.

Carl2291 said:

I very, very nearly got banned for insulting spurgeonryan around Dec/Jan.

I also got warned for calling people who got banned for trolling, trolls.

Mods can post my mod history here if they want. Other than that, Ive not insulted a user. Care to post proof?

Well I guess the mods have spoken. Here's why I personally don't like you, Carl.

You post your opinion about me, on multiple occassions, which I told you I find insulting. You play the innocent by pretenting that your comments aren't offensive. They are, I've told you I find them offensive and rude. So here's my advice to you. Get over yourself. You're going run into people you don't like all the time. Deal with it. There are a few other users I'm not too fond off in this forum. I usually ignore them when they post a stupid reply I find annoying. Guess I have to add you to my list. Add me to yours. 

No, insulting will result in moderation. Saying your opinion in a respectful manner, without trolling or flaming, will not.

Believe it or not, Carl was not insulting you. Just because you got offended with it does not mean that it was insulting. If we moderated people whenever someone else was offended by that person, there would be virtually no-one left on this site.

If you really don't want people to get in long debates where they call you out, then simply reply that they can PM you and leave it at that. You don't have to reply to any of those posts if you don't want to.