DTG said: People seem to be letting their delusions get the best of them. The ps1 sold 105 miollion and the ps2 140 million so far. The bottomline is that 5 million is NOTHING considering the PS2 outsold the original xbox by over 115 million units. The 360 is dying in 2 out of 3 territories and is at a price point where there isn't much waggle room left. Once the PS3 hits PS2 mass market price it will leave the 360 in the dust, for proof just take a look at the ps1 ans 2 sales and compare their life time performance to that of the ps3 right now; nearly identical.

 

I thought the PS2 had sold just over 120 m.  Where did the 140 m figure originate from?

Skeeuk said: johnsobas said: wow the gap in NA has never been bigger than it is now even though the ps3 was eating away at it so many weeks this year, but the problem was it was a very small amount, and now it's getting beat by a significant amount.   lol a couple of weeks higher sales due to price cuts, now makes 360 beating ps3e by significant amount?

 

yea, i never said it wouldn't get smaller....it is beating it by a significant amount right now which is exactly what i said.

DTG said: People seem to be letting their delusions get the best of them. The ps1 sold 105 miollion and the ps2 140 million so far. The bottomline is that 5 million is NOTHING considering the PS2 outsold the original xbox by over 115 million units. The 360 is dying in 2 out of 3 territories and is at a price point where there isn't much waggle room left. Once the PS3 hits PS2 mass market price it will leave the 360 in the dust, for proof just take a look at the ps1 ans 2 sales and compare their life time performance to that of the ps3 right now; nearly identical.

The 360 is dying in 2 out of 3 territories?  Are we looking at the same charts and reading the same news stories?  You know the ones where the 360 sales have increased by 200% in UK and increasing in all the rest of Europe and where it outsold the PS3 in Japan in September.  If that's dying then what exactly does that say about the PS3?

 

Legend11 said: DTG said: People seem to be letting their delusions get the best of them. The ps1 sold 105 miollion and the ps2 140 million so far. The bottomline is that 5 million is NOTHING considering the PS2 outsold the original xbox by over 115 million units. The 360 is dying in 2 out of 3 territories and is at a price point where there isn't much waggle room left. Once the PS3 hits PS2 mass market price it will leave the 360 in the dust, for proof just take a look at the ps1 ans 2 sales and compare their life time performance to that of the ps3 right now; nearly identical. The 360 is dying in 2 out of 3 territories?  Are we looking at the same charts and reading the same news stories?  You know the ones where the 360 sales have increased by 200% in UK and increasing in all the rest of Europe and where it outsold the PS3 in Japan in September.  If that's dying then what exactly does that say about the PS3?

 

wow, a few weeks of marginally improved sales due to dirt cheap price erases the memory of having been continuously butt raped by the ps3 for 2 years in both Japan and EU?

I want to keep an eye on this thread!

@ Crumas2

July 2008:

"Sony told those attending the video game industry’s E3 convention last week that sales of its original PlayStation, launched in 1994, had reached 102m units and the PlayStation 2 console had now passed 140m worldwide in its ninth year on sale."

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1c46ad2e-5678-11dd-8686-000077b07658.html?nclick_check=1

The PS2 is selling well in poorer countries nowadays. It was clear since day one Sony would not be able to afford selling the PS3 at PS2/Wii figures early on. But the console performs well at a higher entry pricing compared to the PS1 and 360.

Sony expects to sell 10 million PS3 consoles this year, with the price dropping the coming years and high profile software and important features being added, sales will likely gradually grow in the upcoming years. The goal is to sell 150 million PS3s within a 10 year lifecycle.

selnor said: People all need to remember that the credit crunch is actually going to massively affect sales. Woolworths have now gone into liquidation due to the crunch and so has the company Miss Sixty. It's worse than tou think. I think in america at least Sony will drop the price not nessacerily because of M$ but because mums and dads at Christmas just flat out wont be able to afford it.

 

this certienly is the strangest credit crunch ever, out here where i live, our local economy is still tearing up in overdrive with construction and purchasing. it seems to be more regional limited and to companies that were already in the shitter aka woolworths, who ive only ever seen closing stores, never seen them open a new one. ive heard of miss sixty, but have no idea what it is, might have been in a paper i read. 

ill go further to say this has been an overblown event by the media, unless you had over 100,000 in a failed bank you are fine, this os no great depression yet.

 

honestly id like to see how many people on here in the states are truely having their pay cut, or having laons and credit refused to them. this does not count a person closing out cards, because they finally figured out that 29.9% rate is bad for them, and paidthe card off

kowenicki said: goddog said: selnor said: People all need to remember that the credit crunch is actually going to massively affect sales. Woolworths have now gone into liquidation due to the crunch and so has the company Miss Sixty. It's worse than tou think. I think in america at least Sony will drop the price not nessacerily because of M$ but because mums and dads at Christmas just flat out wont be able to afford it.   this certienly is the strangest credit crunch ever, out here where i live, our local economy is still tearing up in overdrive with construction and purchasing. it seems to be more regional limited and to companies that were already in the shitter aka woolworths, who ive only ever seen closing stores, never seen them open a new one. ive heard of miss sixty, but have no idea what it is, might have been in a paper i read.  ill go further to say this has been an overblown event by the media, unless you had over 100,000 in a failed bank you are fine, this os no great depression yet.   honestly id like to see how many people on here in the states are truely having their pay cut, or having laons and credit refused to them. this does not count a person closing out cards, because they finally figured out that 29.9% rate is bad for them, and paidthe card off Wow...   People need to wise up on this, particularly over in the states where all this shitty mess started.  Hardly anyone anywhere is feeling the credit crunch yet, it is only the banks and  some large byusinesses that are feeling it.  But give it time... if banks suffer everyone suffers.  Expect companies of all sizes going bust in a big way by the end of the year and into the new year, particularly in the new year for retail when inventory is converted to cash and banks call in the debts.  If companies cant finance working capital or refinance existing facilities then we are is serious trouble.  Get ready.. it is definitely coming.

i still dont see it coming, sure a few large companies will go under, but that generally happens once a decade? honestly do you really buy into this fearmongering of the news, from news reports, this has been going on for over a year, the biggest effect i have had, is deciding not to fly unless it is over a 3 day trip, because airline service has become so poor.

 

and yes i know all about the liquidity problem, and loans/debt change for larger comps. this is still just a minor to mid grade bust, nothing compared to the Savings and loan failure in the 80s, when it gets that bad then i might care, 

 

that could be the only market i have great knowledge of is limited. but i feel this is overblown, as i said until i see effects that were happening during the savings and loan collapse, i will still not feel anything major is going down

on the flipside how do they feel about the wells fargo bid on wachovia... i think its the smart move i never agreed with the citi low ball offer.

I should have known that MikeB would hijack this thread. I really want to know how much Sony is paying you. I hope its worth the cost of your dignity. You are in the wrong field Mike, there are political campaign managers that spin less than you.

I never understood arguing with numbers. The numbers show that the PS3 is just as behind as it was in November of 2006. No amount of spin is going to change that.

The PS3 is not the PS2 and it is not even the PS1. Sony fans need to stop trying to use trends for those consoles to support their ill conceived suppositions about the PS3. How is that you Sony fans can trumpet launch aligned numbers to support their view that the PS3 is doing better than the 360 yet and ignore the same figures that shows its trailing far behind the PS2? Another day, another case of Sony Selective Memory Syndrome.

MikeB we know you were think Sony does no wrong. We know you were never admit to any mistakes by Sony. That said, can you ad least coming up with some new BS talking points? Every time I read one of your posts, I feel like Bill Murray in Groundhog Day.