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Forums - General Discussion - Place Your Bets: Who Wins the Presidency - Obama or Mccain? (revive in Nov)

With the general election for US President ramping up, I thought I'd start a thread with predictions. I'll revive this in November when all the results are in, and we'll see who was right.

Large-Scale Factors Favoring Obama:

- Only 28% of Americans aprove of George W. Bush right now.

- The electoral college is calibrated to 10 year census data. Since this is a 2008 election, and people have been moving South & West (Katrina ravaged areas aside) from the North & East, it is likely states in the North and Midwest are over represented relative to what electoral votes they'll lose in 2010. This is probably a net gain of 10 electoral votes for Obama (meaning 10 electoral votes Mccain won't get) before he even does anything.

- Libertarianism seems stronger than usual. Bob Barr is going to hurt Mccain in some states, especially if he taps into that mix of people Ron Paul drew in during the primaries who like civil liberties, want out of Iraq, are pro-life, and interpret the constitution strictly. Barr is from Georgia, and since Mccain has trouble with religious Republicans...some of the South may be in play.

Large-Scale Factors Favoring Mccain:

- The Democratic primary season was bitter, long and divided. Some of the record turnout on the Democratic side will likely go to Mccain since Hilary can no longer be president. I'd peg it at 3-5% of the general election vote.

- Obama has major issues in Appalachia, even in places like West Virginia, Arkansas, etc that have gone for Democratic nominees. 

- Racism/crypto Muslim allegations. Obama is a Christian. He is the son of a Black Kenyan and a White Kansan and his middle name is 'Hussein'. Some people hate Muslims, some hate Blacks, some hate people from interacial backgrounds. 

Subtle Trends that Favor Obama:

- Virginia, Colorado, New Mexico, Iowa seem to be winnable for Obama.

- Obama is a much better speaker than Mccain, and simply looks better by not having skin cancer or age questions. In debates, Obama will look more 'presidential' when the cameras zoom in one his face.

- Obama has unbelievable fundraising ability and should get help soon from Clinton fundraisers.

Suble Trends that Favor Mccain:

- Mccain has potentially more reliable demographics - older people vote in higher percentages than young people.

- Mccain has more political/military/general experience than Obama in the eyes of most voters.

- Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Ohio, Michigan seem to be winnable for Mccain.

 

Here is my guess on how this all plays out, electoral vote totals can be seen here:

State Electoral  Obama Mccain Barr Nader Other
California 55 51.0% 44.0% 4.0% 0.8% 0.2%
Texas 34 40.0% 56.0% 3.0% 0.3% 0.7%
New York 31 52.0% 46.0% 1.0% 0.6% 0.4%
Florida 27 47.8% 49.2% 1.0% 1.0% 1.0%
Illinois 21 65.0% 32.0% 3.0% 0.0% 0.0%
Pennsylvania 21 44.0% 46.0% 7.0% 2.0% 1.0%
Ohio 20 46.0% 49.0% 3.0% 1.0% 1.0%
Michigan 17 48.0% 46.0% 4.0% 2.0% 0.0%
New Jersey 15 53.0% 44.0% 2.0% 0.8% 0.2%
Georgia 15 46.0% 44.0% 8.0% 0.3% 1.7%
North Carolina 15 46.0% 50.0% 2.0% 1.0% 1.0%
Virginia 13 50.0% 44.0% 4.0% 1.4% 0.6%
Massachusetts 12 51.0% 47.0% 1.0% 0.5% 0.5%
Washington 11 55.0% 35.0% 7.0% 2.0% 1.0%
Tennesse 11 38.0% 55.0% 6.0% 0.5% 0.5%
Misouri 11 47.0% 47.5% 4.0% 0.5% 1.0%
Indiana 11 48.0% 49.0% 2.0% 0.3% 0.7%
Minnesota 10 54.0% 42.0% 3.0% 0.6% 0.4%
Wisconsin 10 53.0% 45.0% 1.3% 0.6% 0.1%
Arizona 10 38.0% 59.0% 2.0% 0.0% 1.0%
Maryland 10 55.0% 44.0% 1.0% 0.0% 0.0%
Colorado 9 50.0% 48.0% 0.5% 0.5% 1.0%
Lousiaina 9 45.0% 48.0% 4.0% 2.0% 1.0%
Alabama 9 43.0% 50.0% 6.0% 0.3% 0.7%
Kentucky 8 41.0% 52.0% 5.0% 1.0% 1.0%
South Carolina 8 35.5% 57.0% 7.0% 0.2% 0.3%
Connecticut 7 48.0% 44.0% 5.0% 2.0% 1.0%
Oregon 7 52.0% 40.0% 6.0% 1.5% 0.5%
Iowa 7 55.0% 39.0% 5.0% 0.0% 1.0%
Oklahoma 7 45.0% 51.0% 1.0% 1.0% 2.0%
Kansas 6 44.0% 46.0% 6.0% 1.0% 3.0%
Arkansas 6 47.5% 50.0% 0.5% 1.0% 1.0%
Mississippi 6 45.0% 50.0% 4.0% 0.0% 1.0%
Utah 5 44.0% 52.0% 3.0% 0.3% 0.7%
Nevada 5 43.0% 44.5% 12.0% 0.0% 0.5%
Nebraska 5 47.0% 50.0% 2.0% 0.5% 0.5%
West Virginia 5 36.0% 56.0% 5.0% 0.0% 3.0%
New Mexico 5 51.0% 44.0% 3.0% 0.3% 1.7%
Idaho 4 40.0% 42.5% 14.0% 0.5% 3.0%
Hawaii 4 54.0% 42.0% 0.5% 2.0% 1.5%
New Hampshire 4 40.0% 53.0% 4.0% 1.0% 2.0%
Rhode Island 4 53.0% 41.0% 3.0% 1.0% 2.0%
Maine 4 50.5% 40.5% 7.0% 1.0% 1.0%
Vermont 3 55.0% 38.0% 4.0% 1.0% 2.0%
DC 3 69.0% 21.0% 8.0% 1.0% 1.0%
Alaska 3 44.0% 45.0% 9.0% 1.0% 1.0%
Montana 3 40.0% 43.0% 13.0% 0.5% 3.5%
Wyoming 3 34.0% 55.0% 3.0% 3.0% 5.0%
North Dakota 3 44.0% 49.0% 7.0% 0.0% 0.0%
South Dakota 3 42.0% 45.0% 10.0% 1.0% 2.0%
Delaware 3 52.0% 45.0% 1.0% 1.0% 1.0%

If the scenario above played out it would mean Obama wins.


The Obama Coalition: 22 States & DC for 276 electoral votes (and probably 61 million votes or so):

Obama loving States (with over 50% of the vote) are 19 (and DC):

NJ, CA, NY, Ill, DC, WA, OR, VA, Mass, RI,  Maine, VT, De, NM, CO, Iowa, WI, Minnesota, Hawaii, Maryland

Obama Plurality State Wins (3):

Michigan - Reagan Democrats will go for Mccain, but Obama will eke out a victory because of historic Black turnout in Detroit.

Connecticut - Lieberman will endorse Mccain, making the race close here.

Georgia - Barr will hurt Mccain in rural Georgia, where he is beloved, and a hero. Perot did it to Bush 1 in 92', giving Clinton the win in Georgia despite only getting a plurality.

 

The Mccain Coalition: 28 states for 262 electoral votes (and probably 55 million votes)

Mccain loving states (with over 50% of the vote) are 16

Tx, NC, TN, AL, AZ, KY, SC, OK, Ark, Miss, Ut, Neb, WV, NH, WY, FL 

Mccain Pluarality State Wins (12):

PA, OH, Ind - Reagan Democrats go for Mccain in large enough numbers to give him the plurality to offset historic Black turnout in Philadelphia, Cincinatti, Pittsburgh, Harrisburg, Cleveland, Toledo, Columbus, Indianapolis etc.

Missouri - I have this race as the closest in the country, but I think Mccain ekes it out, Misouri is almost never wrong in picking the guy who actually ends up President.

Lousiania, Kansas, Nevada - Close because of a) Katrina fall out b) Obama's midwestern strength, c) Hispanics splitting closely, and a significant libertarian influence.

Idaho, Alaska, Montana - These are libertarian, surprisingly well educated states, which bodes well for Obama for 'red states' and libertarians, but Mccain will eke out wins anyway.

ND/SD - SD is well educated and libertarian which is tough, North Dakota is influenced by its neighbors...

How do you all see it playing out? This isn't meant to be a discussion of policy, just who will win...and why.



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well im thinking that obama will win,i think people will want a democrat this time



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My bet goes for Obama...


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I predict Obama.



MCCAIN.






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I'm kind of torn atm, I'd like to see the results of the debates or at least one of them.

I think the town hall debates heavily favor McCain which is why you see him asking for 10 and Obama's camp shooting for fewer despite his home town paper saying they should do 20. Where I'm really torn is that I think any close debate is going to be given to Obama just based on the media love fest thats gone on so far.

I'm kind of surprised nobody has mentioned the speaking similarity between Obama and Bush actually. I've found it kind of funny throughout the process that Bush was slammed for his stuttering and inability to find words when he wasn't speaking from a teleprompter and Obama has the exact same issue only worse...but I haven't seen or heard anyone mention it (and I expect people to erupt in "oh em gee! w tee eff!" because I said so, but its 100% true I've noticed it for months and months now..it makes me cringe the same as when Bush does it). He makes up for it quite a bit when he is on a teleprompter though, in those situations he is a very good speaker.

Also I think its fair to point out that Obama has a very unknown background and revelations are not only possible...but likely. Those sorts of things can have profound impacts on the race both positively and negatively (sometimes they backfire).

Either way there are far too many unknowns for me to be taking a shot at this now. The VP choices alone can reshape the race substantially.



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TheSource said:

Here is my guess on how this all plays out, electoral vote totals can be seen here:

StateElectoral ObamaMccainBarrNaderOther
California5551.0%44.0%4.0%0.8%0.2%
Texas3440.0%56.0%3.0%0.3%0.7%
New York3152.0%46.0%1.0%0.6%0.4%
Florida2747.8%49.2%1.0%1.0%1.0%
Illinois2165.0%32.0%3.0%0.0%0.0%
Pennsylvania2144.0%46.0%7.0%2.0%1.0%
Ohio2046.0%49.0%3.0%1.0%1.0%
Michigan1748.0%46.0%4.0%2.0%0.0%
New Jersey1553.0%44.0%2.0%0.8%0.2%
Georgia1546.0%44.0%8.0%0.3%1.7%
North Carolina1546.0%50.0%2.0%1.0%1.0%
Virginia1350.0%44.0%4.0%1.4%0.6%
Massachusetts1251.0%47.0%1.0%0.5%0.5%
Washington1155.0%35.0%7.0%2.0%1.0%
Tennesse1138.0%55.0%6.0%0.5%0.5%
Misouri1147.0%47.5%4.0%0.5%1.0%
Indiana1148.0%49.0%2.0%0.3%0.7%
Minnesota1054.0%42.0%3.0%0.6%0.4%
Wisconsin1053.0%45.0%1.3%0.6%0.1%
Arizona1038.0%59.0%2.0%0.0%1.0%
Maryland1055.0%44.0%1.0%0.0%0.0%
Colorado950.0%48.0%0.5%0.5%1.0%
Lousiaina945.0%48.0%4.0%2.0%1.0%
Alabama943.0%50.0%6.0%0.3%0.7%
Kentucky841.0%52.0%5.0%1.0%1.0%
South Carolina835.5%57.0%7.0%0.2%0.3%
Connecticut748.0%44.0%5.0%2.0%1.0%
Oregon752.0%40.0%6.0%1.5%0.5%
Iowa755.0%39.0%5.0%0.0%1.0%
Oklahoma745.0%51.0%1.0%1.0%2.0%
Kansas644.0%46.0%6.0%1.0%3.0%
Arkansas647.5%50.0%0.5%1.0%1.0%
Mississippi645.0%50.0%4.0%0.0%1.0%
Utah544.0%52.0%3.0%0.3%0.7%
Nevada543.0%44.5%12.0%0.0%0.5%
Nebraska547.0%50.0%2.0%0.5%0.5%
West Virginia536.0%56.0%5.0%0.0%3.0%
New Mexico551.0%44.0%3.0%0.3%1.7%
Idaho440.0%42.5%14.0%0.5%3.0%
Hawaii454.0%42.0%0.5%2.0%1.5%
New Hampshire440.0%53.0%4.0%1.0%2.0%
Rhode Island453.0%41.0%3.0%1.0%2.0%
Maine450.5%40.5%7.0%1.0%1.0%
Vermont355.0%38.0%4.0%1.0%2.0%
DC369.0%21.0%8.0%1.0%1.0%
Alaska344.0%45.0%9.0%1.0%1.0%
Montana340.0%43.0%13.0%0.5%3.5%
Wyoming334.0%55.0%3.0%3.0%5.0%
North Dakota344.0%49.0%7.0%0.0%0.0%
South Dakota342.0%45.0%10.0%1.0%2.0%
Delaware352.0%45.0%1.0%1.0%1.0%

 

lol Going from predictions of software sales to a state-by-state breakdown of the US presidential election!

Funny.

TheSource, you really love to crunch numbers, don't you? :)

Anyway, I have not much knowledge about the preference of specific US regions and states but these elections are easy to predict.

Obama will win by a large margin. The popular vote will be 55-45% or something like that.



My bet is that Obama will win.



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