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So called right wing governments have implemented a lot of things that are considered left wing policies. When the traditionally right wing politicians make decisions that are not perceived as right wing policies by the right wing voter, what are they expected to vote for?



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Pajderman said:

So called right wing governments have implemented a lot of things that are considered left wing policies. When the traditionally right wing politicians make decisions that are not perceived as right wing policies by the right wing voter, what are they expected to vote for?

Politics are far more complex than be easily captured in the right-left binary. As the right-left separation was originally about economic and social security policies, I usually use the terms in that regard. This still works but collides with younger people that don't associate working class at all with left wing politics but make it a cultural issue and see the "left" as the more privileged well educated academic middle class people. I would consider that liberal/progressive, not left in the original sense. But even then they have confusing stances, I would consider womens liberation one classic liberal topic, which would be critical of many muslim communities that use authoritarian power over women. But I guess I could call it very american valuing religious freedom higher than other liberties, as the US was founded by religious groups fleeing europe to live their religion, so maybe that politics is not as much liberal as it is american.



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Pajderman said:

So called right wing governments have implemented a lot of things that are considered left wing policies. When the traditionally right wing politicians make decisions that are not perceived as right wing policies by the right wing voter, what are they expected to vote for?

Politics are far more complex than be easily captured in the right-left binary. As the right-left separation was originally about economic and social security policies, I usually use the terms in that regard. This still works but collides with younger people that don't associate working class at all with left wing politics but make it a cultural issue and see the "left" as the more privileged well educated academic middle class people. I would consider that liberal/progressive, not left in the original sense. But even then they have confusing stances, I would consider womens liberation one classic liberal topic, which would be critical of many muslim communities that use authoritarian power over women. But I guess I could call it very american valuing religious freedom higher than other liberties, as the US was founded by religious groups fleeing europe to live their religion, so maybe that politics is not as much liberal as it is american.

Yep, the right-left distinction is an extrem simplification. 



Chris Hu said:
sc94597 said:

Actually, the SPD started out being much more left than they are today.  People sure like to forget that they put out a hit on and assassinated Rosa Luxemburg even though she was once prominent member of the SPD party.

Yeah, all of the talk about parties moving further-left in developed countries seems to only make sense if one looks at history as starting in the neo-liberal era of the 80's and 90's. The original SPD was reformist, but it definitely wanted a genuine socialist society at the end of the day, and the party ideology was very much marxist. Does that even exist in today's party or do the few socialists just join Die Linke? 

As for the Luxemburg point, arguably they enabled her assasination because she was more left-wing than them on the topics of war, imperialism, and the immediate need for a revolution to bring about a (council-)communist society. But that is still a very left wing position for a 2026 world where socialism is barely existent politically.



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Wman1996 said:
Vinther1991 said:

Except if it is by Russians apparently.

It's selective replacement fears a lot of the time. Even here in the USA, some people who freak out about immigrants and non-immigrants that aren't white wouldn't bat an eye with white immigrants from the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Germany, Poland, Russia, and so on. 

Not saying rural areas in the USA or some other nations are a monolith but I think some of the racists that live in suburbs and urban areas should just move to sparsely populated areas if they are that afraid of diversity. Easier said than done, but they should consider it. 

I don't get that mentality, people who were born in a city who enjoyed their life, worked and paid taxes but see how the cities are changing like for example diversity have to move away?  Heck, people who would be considered racists today made USA and Europe great.






konnichiwa said:
Wman1996 said:

It's selective replacement fears a lot of the time. Even here in the USA, some people who freak out about immigrants and non-immigrants that aren't white wouldn't bat an eye with white immigrants from the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Germany, Poland, Russia, and so on. 

Not saying rural areas in the USA or some other nations are a monolith but I think some of the racists that live in suburbs and urban areas should just move to sparsely populated areas if they are that afraid of diversity. Easier said than done, but they should consider it. 

I don't get that mentality, people who were born in a city who enjoyed their life, worked and paid taxes but see how the cities are changing like for example diversity have to move away?  Heck, people who would be considered racists today made USA and Europe great.

I don't particularly like the idea either of displacing racists. I don't like displacing in general. I'm just saying that if they want mega mass deportations or worse torture, unfair detentions and such the city life (a lot of cities are diverse) is not really for them. Any "medicine" they want for migration/immigration/diversity is worse than the "disease" they talk about. 



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konnichiwa said:

I don't get that mentality, people who were born in a city who enjoyed their life, worked and paid taxes but see how the cities are changing like for example diversity have to move away?  Heck, people who would be considered racists today made USA and Europe great.

Because the hypothesis that they purport as their reason against diversity has been falsified in many countries. 

Here in the U.S, I think it was Charles Murray, if I recall correctly, in the 1990s who predicted that crime rates would continue to rise in American cities as they became less white.

The major American cities became less white and crime rates plummeted since the 90's. 

When there was a small Covid-induced bump Murray tried to take credit for the prediction, and then crime rates went back down again after quarantine/furloughs ended. 

Nothing fundamentally is wrong with immigrants. This was true when my old-stock PA Deitsch ancestors were called "Palatinate Boors" who would never assimilate into Anglo-Saxon society by Ben Franklin. It was true in the 1950's New York City when my Puerto Rican grandparents migrated. And it is still true today of modern immigrants. Most immigrants assimilate across generations, and by the third generation their grandchildren tend to have the same culture as their ethnic old-stock peers. In so much as this doesn't happen, it is because of discrimination, segregation and ghettoization.

So if those who want to discriminate according to arbitrary social constructs want to do so, then it is on them to create that life for themselves and not beg society or the monopoly on violence to do it for them.