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Farsala said:
Chrkeller said:

For a family, yes.  Take 5k and times by 2, get 10k.  And that 10k is likely max out of pocket, not deductible. 

And my experience with universal was pay a ton in taxes and wait half a year before seeing a doctor.  Not impressed.  

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100k earner in the US takes home 79k.  In the UK 72k.  Germany 62k...  guess what, I just paid for my healthcare max out of pocket.  

*rough numbers because it depends on credits, deductions, source of income, etc.  Obviously various from person to person.  

Point being, nothing is free.  It is being paid for, just different routes.  And the largest point, for the US, is healthcare will continue to raise in costs as people continue to be unhealthy.  Health needs to be part of healthcare.

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It was sadly 10k deductible per person per year. Maybe it has improved in the past 15 years, but I haven't been back enough to check in the past 7 years.

I honestly question accuracy, that is way, way, way, way above average.  

Average deductible today is $1800 per person.  20 years ago the average was $600..  9k deductible per person, honestly man, makes no sense.  Not saying it is impossible, but that is orders of magnitude above average.  



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Chrkeller said:
Farsala said:

It was sadly 10k deductible per person per year. Maybe it has improved in the past 15 years, but I haven't been back enough to check in the past 7 years.

I honestly question accuracy, that is way, way, way, way above average.  

Average deductible today is $1800 per person.  20 years ago the average was $600..  9k deductible per person, honestly man, makes no sense.  Not saying it is impossible, but that is orders of magnitude above average.  

Definitely lower premiums but yeah, when I saw the numbers I thought it was insane. No way anyone in our family would ever hit it. I will ask for some 2026 numbers next time I speak to her.



Farsala said:
Chrkeller said:

I honestly question accuracy, that is way, way, way, way above average.  

Average deductible today is $1800 per person.  20 years ago the average was $600..  9k deductible per person, honestly man, makes no sense.  Not saying it is impossible, but that is orders of magnitude above average.  

Definitely lower premiums but yeah, when I saw the numbers I thought it was insane. No way anyone in our family would ever hit it. I will ask for some 2026 numbers next time I speak to her.

I am curious, deductibles are higher today then 15 years ago.  A family of four on my end is $1800.  $600 per person.  9k should be illegal.



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Chrkeller said:
curl-6 said:

Speaking of healthcare, I fucking love having universal healthcare; I might well be dead without it, as when I got cancer in 2020 all my treatment was paid for my medicare.

I am not a fan personally.  The US system isn't as expensive as people make it out to be.  It is founded in a shared risk system, similar to Universal.  The difference is Universal is paid via taxes, while employment pays for the US's shared risk plan.  The max out of pocket, on average, is 4-5k.  Nobody in the US is paying hundreds of thousands, that is a BS myth (not directed at you) that the media has created.  The other point is, when I lived in Europe with Universal, waiting times for a specialist was 6 to 9 months.  In the US, yeah it costs me 4k, but I could see someone in a week.  

Not if you get hurt while traveling in another state.  That out of network broken arm can cost you $50k+. Prior to Obamacare, many healthcare plans had maximum coverage in them, so if your cancer treatments exceeded a million you had to pay for the rest.



Don't know about sweets, but the difference in bread always caught me off guard. I used to spend a lot of time in the US for work. And it did not matter if I ate the bread at Hotel breakfast (if they had any) or would buy some in the supermarket, it tastes weird. To sweet, fluffy, more like cake but not in a good way.



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rapsuperstar31 said:
Chrkeller said:

I am not a fan personally.  The US system isn't as expensive as people make it out to be.  It is founded in a shared risk system, similar to Universal.  The difference is Universal is paid via taxes, while employment pays for the US's shared risk plan.  The max out of pocket, on average, is 4-5k.  Nobody in the US is paying hundreds of thousands, that is a BS myth (not directed at you) that the media has created.  The other point is, when I lived in Europe with Universal, waiting times for a specialist was 6 to 9 months.  In the US, yeah it costs me 4k, but I could see someone in a week.  

Not if you get hurt while traveling in another state.  That out of network broken arm can cost you $50k+. Prior to Obamacare, many healthcare plans had maximum coverage in them, so if your cancer treatments exceeded a million you had to pay for the rest.

Not true.  Insurance covers emergency care when traveling.  It just doesn't cover routine medical.  Max out of pockets existed long before Obamacare, long before.

The stories of people paying 500k (or whatever) for cancer treatment is when the treatment is experimental, not FDA approved.  Or when seeking treatment out of network. 

Don't get me wrong, I think insurance in the US needs a revamp, but it doesn't work like most people think it does.  

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LegitHyperbole said:
JackHandy said:

If you trace our origin story down you will find the answers to just about everything. We were born out of rebellion, a certain stubbornness to conform. For better or worse, we do what we want and on our own terms, nobody else's. This mindset extends to health, politics, love, war... everything. Above all, we desire freedom. Freedom to choose the right path and freedom to choose the wrong path.

There is no freedom in having the food industry become a near monopoly and taint and poison the poors or even middle classes food options. Wheter they are treats or not. There is no freedom in having 45 grams of sugar packed into one can of "Soda". There is only sickness in this and it's not like you have the freedom to get sick from this food over there or you'll spend your life repaying medical bills. The freedom you think you have over other countries is just relabelled and repackaged in the worse ways while "FREEDOM" is used to distract from the atrocities that are done to you by your own government and the corporations who control it. 

All that aside, as mentioned, the people want the choice to poison themselves. They don't want to be told what they can and cannot put into their bodies. Because remember: you can't sell poison to people who won't buy it. People want it, so they sell it to them. So blame the people. It's their fault they're dying. 



The phrase "America is destroying itself" is a common theme in modern
Political Polarization
  • Two-party gridlock: Democrats and Republicans rarely compromise.
  • Eroding trust: Citizens lose faith in democratic institutions.
  • Media echo chambers: News outlets fuel division for profit.
Social and Cultural Fractures
  • Culture wars: Deep disagreements over national identity and values.
  • Declining social capital: People are less connected to communities.
  • Loneliness epidemic: Rising isolation impacts national mental health.
Economic Strain
  • Wealth inequality: The gap between rich and poor widens.
  • National debt: Government spending creates long-term financial risks.
  • Hollowed infrastructure: Roads, bridges, and grids need urgent repair.
Institutional Decay
  • Costly healthcare: The system is expensive with poor outcomes.
  • Education gaps: Public schooling quality varies heavily by zip code.
  • Short-term thinking: Leaders prioritize next elections over future decades.
Would you like to explore how historical cycles compare to today's situation, look into specific economic data, or examine how foreign policy fits into this debate?


JackHandy said:
LegitHyperbole said:

There is no freedom in having the food industry become a near monopoly and taint and poison the poors or even middle classes food options. Wheter they are treats or not. There is no freedom in having 45 grams of sugar packed into one can of "Soda". There is only sickness in this and it's not like you have the freedom to get sick from this food over there or you'll spend your life repaying medical bills. The freedom you think you have over other countries is just relabelled and repackaged in the worse ways while "FREEDOM" is used to distract from the atrocities that are done to you by your own government and the corporations who control it. 

All that aside, as mentioned, the people want the choice to poison themselves. They don't want to be told what they can and cannot put into their bodies. Because remember: you can't sell poison to people who won't buy it. People want it, so they sell it to them. So blame the people. It's their fault they're dying. 

But where is the choice? We don't even have choice here? I know how expensive vegetables are in the US, lol. There is no choice. It's the corporations fault, the lobbyists and sadly the Government. Hopefully that Kennedy man can fix it, at least he has identified the obvious problems even if some are a bit hyperbolic and perhaps not quite spot on the ball. 



Is that an AI agent that has managed to make itself to the site and act as if I prompted it... that's fucking creepy AF.