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Chrkeller said:
Chris Hu said:

It's not a BS myth unless you like to ignore basic facts.  The US leads the world in medical bankruptcies and medical debt no other country is even close to the US when it comes to that basic undeniable fact. 

Approximately 14 million people (6% of adults) in the U.S. owe over $1,000 in medical debt and about 3 million people (1% of adults) owe medical debt of more than $10,000.” 

1% owe over 10k...  99% owe less than 10k.  94% owe less than 1k.  So, yep.  

Credit card debt is 6x medical debt.  Americans have a spending problem.  

College debt is 9x more than medical.  

And the US is the world leader in disposable income.  Number 1.  People need to learn how to budget.  

Nice deflections from the actual problem.  But here are the plain undeniable facts:

Medical Bankruptcies by Country 2026

The US has 66.5% of all the medical bankruptcies in the world with less than 5% percent of the world's total population.



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Chris Hu said:
Chrkeller said:

Approximately 14 million people (6% of adults) in the U.S. owe over $1,000 in medical debt and about 3 million people (1% of adults) owe medical debt of more than $10,000.” 

1% owe over 10k...  99% owe less than 10k.  94% owe less than 1k.  So, yep.  

Credit card debt is 6x medical debt.  Americans have a spending problem.  

College debt is 9x more than medical.  

And the US is the world leader in disposable income.  Number 1.  People need to learn how to budget.  

Nice deflections from the actual problem.  But here are the plain undeniable facts:

Medical Bankruptcies by Country 2026

The US has 66.5% of all the medical bankruptcies in the world with less than 5% percent of the world's total population.

Happy to talk facts.  Ready to accept any?  

Fact 1: 94% of Americans have little to no medical debt.

Fact 2: 94% is an overwhelming vast majority

Fact 3: effective tax rate in the US is lower than most countries with universal Healthcare 

Accepting facts yet?  94% have little to no medical debt.  

Fact 4: US has the highest disposable income on the face of the planet.  

Fun with facts.  Can our system be better?  Sure.  Should it be better?  Absolutely.  But my original argument is people over blow the issue.  And facts support my position.  94% of the population doesn't have an issue.  94%.  

You have to remember my argument wasnt we have a percent system, it was the system isn't as bad as people make out. 

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Chrkeller said:
Chris Hu said:

Nice deflections from the actual problem.  But here are the plain undeniable facts:

Medical Bankruptcies by Country 2026

The US has 66.5% of all the medical bankruptcies in the world with less than 5% percent of the world's total population.

Happy to talk facts.  Ready to accept any?  

Fact 1: 94% of Americans have little to no medical debt.

Fact 2: 94% is an overwhelming vast majority

Fact 3: effective tax rate in the US is lower than most countries with universal Healthcare 

Accepting facts yet?  94% have little to no medical debt.  

Fact 4: US has the highest disposable income on the face of the planet.  

Fun with facts.  Can our system be better?  Sure.  Should it be better?  Absolutely.  But my original argument is people over blow the issue.  And facts support my position.  94% of the population doesn't have an issue.  94%.  

You have to remember my argument wasnt we have a percent system, it was the system isn't as bad as people make out. 

Keep on deflecting the fact remains that the US has 66.5% of the world's medical bankruptcies with less than 5% of the world population.  That looks bad no matter how much you want to spin it or deflect the fact.



Chris Hu said:
Chrkeller said:

Happy to talk facts.  Ready to accept any?  

Fact 1: 94% of Americans have little to no medical debt.

Fact 2: 94% is an overwhelming vast majority

Fact 3: effective tax rate in the US is lower than most countries with universal Healthcare 

Accepting facts yet?  94% have little to no medical debt.  

Fact 4: US has the highest disposable income on the face of the planet.  

Fun with facts.  Can our system be better?  Sure.  Should it be better?  Absolutely.  But my original argument is people over blow the issue.  And facts support my position.  94% of the population doesn't have an issue.  94%.  

You have to remember my argument wasnt we have a percent system, it was the system isn't as bad as people make out. 

Keep on deflecting the fact remains that the US has 66.5% of the world's medical bankruptcies with less than 5% of the world population.  That looks bad no matter how much you want to spin it or deflect the fact.

Keep on deflecting the fact remains 94% of the US population has little to no medical debt.  That proves the problem is overblown no matter how much you want to ignore it or deflect the fact.  



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Chrkeller said:
curl-6 said:

Speaking of healthcare, I fucking love having universal healthcare; I might well be dead without it, as when I got cancer in 2020 all my treatment was paid for my medicare.

I am not a fan personally.  The US system isn't as expensive as people make it out to be.  It is founded in a shared risk system, similar to Universal.  The difference is Universal is paid via taxes, while employment pays for the US's shared risk plan.  The max out of pocket, on average, is 4-5k.  Nobody in the US is paying hundreds of thousands, that is a BS myth (not directed at you) that the media has created.  The other point is, when I lived in Europe with Universal, waiting times for a specialist was 6 to 9 months.  In the US, yeah it costs me 4k, but I could see someone in a week.  


Private healthcare and universal healthcare are not mutually exclusive. In Europe there are lots of private healthcare providers. If you want to pay you can see a specialist tomorrow. Since the private healthcare system has so few people you can basically walk into the top specialists in the country at little notice. 



DekutheEvilClown said:
Chrkeller said:

I am not a fan personally.  The US system isn't as expensive as people make it out to be.  It is founded in a shared risk system, similar to Universal.  The difference is Universal is paid via taxes, while employment pays for the US's shared risk plan.  The max out of pocket, on average, is 4-5k.  Nobody in the US is paying hundreds of thousands, that is a BS myth (not directed at you) that the media has created.  The other point is, when I lived in Europe with Universal, waiting times for a specialist was 6 to 9 months.  In the US, yeah it costs me 4k, but I could see someone in a week.  


Private healthcare and universal healthcare are not mutually exclusive. In Europe there are lots of private healthcare providers. If you want to pay you can see a specialist tomorrow. Since the private healthcare system has so few people you can basically walk into the top specialists in the country at little notice. 

Yep, exactly what we did.  Paid a ton in tax for universal Healthcare, then bought an American style private healthcare on top of that in order to ensure my 12 year daughter could get spinal care.  

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To get back on topic, Europe crushes the US in terms of food quality.  The one thing I truly miss from living in Europe is high quality food.  The US does need better food standards.  



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Chris Hu said:

Keep on deflecting the fact remains that the US has 66.5% of the world's medical bankruptcies with less than 5% of the world population.  That looks bad no matter how much you want to spin it or deflect the fact.

Uh ... not to get into the actual argument but if most countries don't have a system where a "medical bankruptcy" is a thing then that percentage means nothing.  It's like saying China has the highest percentage of people who have a Chinese library card and then being surprised about it.

Also, many countries that don't have "medical bankruptcy" do have a fair number of people who declare normal bankruptcy for health related reasons with no further details.

That statistic does not have the impact that you think it does.  Otherwise, carry on.



I mean, it's not like poisoning ourselves is an American exclusive. Pretty much no matter where you live, your food and water is full of microplastics and toxic chemicals. It's almost impossible to avoid.

I do my best to eat a lot of fresh fruit and vegetables, avoid processed foods, avoid drinking from plastic bottles or microwaving food in plastic containers, but the modern world is so saturated in toxic shit that there's only do much you can do. I just try to balance it out as best I can.



pokoko said:
Chris Hu said:

Keep on deflecting the fact remains that the US has 66.5% of the world's medical bankruptcies with less than 5% of the world population.  That looks bad no matter how much you want to spin it or deflect the fact.

Uh ... not to get into the actual argument but if most countries don't have a system where a "medical bankruptcy" is a thing then that percentage means nothing.  It's like saying China has the highest percentage of people who have a Chinese library card and then being surprised about it.

Also, many countries that don't have "medical bankruptcy" do have a fair number of people who declare normal bankruptcy for health related reasons with no further details.

That statistic does not have the impact that you think it does.  Otherwise, carry on.

THANK YOU.  I almost went there.  Your analogy is much better.  I was going to go with Florida has the most boat accidents, way more than Arizona, OMG something is wrong with boats in Florida!!  But yes, the stat is stupid.  

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Also normalized per capita, Medical debt in the US comes out at $660.  Meanwhile, per capita, Canada is $1,020.  

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