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Soundwave said:

I get the feeling Sony got told to piss off when they were trying to negotiate a price freeze or favorable pricing on RAM/storage, lol.

They don't have that kind of sway to be acting like they're Apple or Nvidia or something to RAM/storage suppliers.

I'm not so sure, because of the relationship between PS and AMD as to consoles. If PS has considerable if not major problems with RAM/SSD suppliers, then it also becomes a problem for AMD. 

The less console sales for PS5 and eventually PS6, the less chip sales for AMD. PS keeps strengthening it's relationship with AMD, so I'm willing to bet that helps SNY with RAM/SSD negotiations, whether AMD has to step in and throw some weight around or not.



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

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EricHiggin said:
BraLoD said:

The PS Plus increase was what I was expecting for this year, tbh.

But on top of the hardware insane price increases... lol.

Good chance to finally stop renewing my Essential subs.

Let my PSN sub run out this year. First time I haven't had Plus in over a decade. The fact deals weren't offered for Essential was the deal breaker.

Still haven't moved on to PS5 either. Same goes for all but one of my friends. A few of them have casually started looking into Series S actually. Neither of them are hardcore, but have only ever had SNY consoles since PS1 or PS2. I think they're getting the GTA itch and are trying to plan ahead. To be honest, I'm really not happy about what's going on at SNY and I'm not thrilled about what looks to be coming from them next gen, as of what info is available right now anyway. Even if they launched an affordable hybrid, I don't need or want a hybrid personally, but I do want to move on from PS4 come next gen without having to spend a fortune. The more people who stop subscribing to Plus, the more likely it is they might try and move on to another ecosystem.

The PS5 itself is great, people keep telling it's not but I'm in line to own as many games on it as usual, the games definitely are there. So if you could move to it before the price increase I would do so. Can't justify giving Sony money after it tho.

PS+ has been expensive for a while now, I cancelled my sub renew because of no Essential deals too, but someone told on reddit that you can still re apply the automatic renew before your sub time runs out and they may offer you an individual deal, and it worked out for me, so I got another year, but if prices double... LOL, either I get a 66% deal or I let it go.



BraLoD said:
EricHiggin said:

Let my PSN sub run out this year. First time I haven't had Plus in over a decade. The fact deals weren't offered for Essential was the deal breaker.

Still haven't moved on to PS5 either. Same goes for all but one of my friends. A few of them have casually started looking into Series S actually. Neither of them are hardcore, but have only ever had SNY consoles since PS1 or PS2. I think they're getting the GTA itch and are trying to plan ahead. To be honest, I'm really not happy about what's going on at SNY and I'm not thrilled about what looks to be coming from them next gen, as of what info is available right now anyway. Even if they launched an affordable hybrid, I don't need or want a hybrid personally, but I do want to move on from PS4 come next gen without having to spend a fortune. The more people who stop subscribing to Plus, the more likely it is they might try and move on to another ecosystem.

The PS5 itself is great, people keep telling it's not but I'm in line to own as many games on it as usual, the games definitely are there. So if you could move to it before the price increase I would do so. Can't justify giving Sony money after it tho.

PS+ has been expensive for a while now, I cancelled my sub renew because of no Essential deals too, but someone told on reddit that you can still re apply the automatic renew before your sub time runs out and they may offer you an individual deal, and it worked out for me, so I got another year, but if prices double... LOL, either I get a 66% deal or I let it go.

As a primary machine, meaning getting third party titles on the ps5, it is indeed a superb machine.  In fact, fantastic.  Silent Hill F, Stellar Blade (might be 2nd party?), MGS Delta, Rebirth, Expedition 33, etc.

Their first party titles have annoyed me.  Santa Monica's last great game was 2022 with Ragnarok.  Naughty's last original title was 2020 with TLoU 2.  Guerilla launched Forbidden West in 2022 and now are looking at a GaaS like game.  Thank God for Insomniac.  They hit us with Spider 2, Rift Apart and now have Wolverine.  I don't know, legit, what Sony's other studios are doing.  

Edit

I am especially annoyed because I think remakes are great filler.  Sony could have used BluePoint to remake things like Jak and Sly.  Or even the original Uncharted.  But no, they closed them down.  

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Chrkeller said:
BraLoD said:

The PS5 itself is great, people keep telling it's not but I'm in line to own as many games on it as usual, the games definitely are there. So if you could move to it before the price increase I would do so. Can't justify giving Sony money after it tho.

PS+ has been expensive for a while now, I cancelled my sub renew because of no Essential deals too, but someone told on reddit that you can still re apply the automatic renew before your sub time runs out and they may offer you an individual deal, and it worked out for me, so I got another year, but if prices double... LOL, either I get a 66% deal or I let it go.

As a primary machine, meaning getting third party titles on the ps5, it is indeed a superb machine.  In fact, fantastic.  Silent Hill F, Stellar Blade (might be 2nd party?), MGS Delta, Rebirth, Expedition 33, etc.

Their first party titles have annoyed me.  Santa Monica's last great game was 2022 with Ragnarok.  Naughty's last original title was 2020 with TLoU 2.  Guerilla launched Forbidden West in 2022 and now are looking at a GaaS like game.  Thank God for Insomniac.  They hit us with Spider 2, Rift Apart and now have Wolverine.  I don't know, legit, what Sony's other studios are doing.  

Edit

I am especially annoyed because I think remakes are great filler.  Sony could have used BluePoint to remake things like Jak and Sly.  Or even the original Uncharted.  But no, they closed them down.  

Well I also played 1 God of War game on PS4 too, same for Horizon or Gran Turismo, it's in line with what we should expect for dev times these days, not particular to the PS5 specially if someone liked the PS4, I see no reason why dislike the PS5 based on that.

Naughty Dog definitely lost steam but we know why, they focused on that online TLoU that never released, even as the online in the original TLoU was good and they could expand it to be even better with the fully focused online game, the studio lacking releases in between was beyond stupid.

Sucker Punch only got 1 game compared to 2 last gen, but the dev cycles are the same, it's just that the PS4 got a near release date game from them and the by timing, it took 6 years between Infamous Second Son and Ghost of Tsushima and 5 years between that one and Ghost of Yotei, the dev cycle did not get worse.

I think Insomniac output is insane, and that's not really what we should expect other devs to deliver. Just look at Nintendo, they have less advanced games and the release periods are equal or sometimes even worse. 7 years between 3D Zeldas, 9 years since last 3D Mario and no announcement yet, 11 years between the last 2 Donkey Kong games, 11 years between the last 2 Mario Kart games, 18 years between the last 2 Metroid Prime games... their biggest games are taking a lot of time to come out just as well.

But yes, Sony should be doing other small games like Nintendo does, even as Nintendo does have a lot more to gain from 2D or smaller games in between those like Mario Wonder, Zelda Echoes, Metroid Dread etc...

Astro Bot proved 2 things, they won't sell gangbusters for at least a long time but they can bring more games for less money and still get a great reception out it. They tried with God of War Sons of Sparta but it didn't work well for them, but they really should be trying to push more and see what works out.



BraLoD said:
Chrkeller said:

As a primary machine, meaning getting third party titles on the ps5, it is indeed a superb machine.  In fact, fantastic.  Silent Hill F, Stellar Blade (might be 2nd party?), MGS Delta, Rebirth, Expedition 33, etc.

Their first party titles have annoyed me.  Santa Monica's last great game was 2022 with Ragnarok.  Naughty's last original title was 2020 with TLoU 2.  Guerilla launched Forbidden West in 2022 and now are looking at a GaaS like game.  Thank God for Insomniac.  They hit us with Spider 2, Rift Apart and now have Wolverine.  I don't know, legit, what Sony's other studios are doing.  

Edit

I am especially annoyed because I think remakes are great filler.  Sony could have used BluePoint to remake things like Jak and Sly.  Or even the original Uncharted.  But no, they closed them down.  

Well I also played 1 God of War game on PS4 too, same for Horizon or Gran Turismo, it's in line with what we should expect for dev times these days, not particular to the PS5 specially if someone liked the PS4, I see no reason why dislike the PS5 based on that.

Naughty Dog definitely lost steam but we know why, they focused on that online TLoU that never released, even as the online in the original TLoU was good and they could expand it to be even better with the fully focused online game, the studio lacking releases in between was beyond stupid.

Sucker Punch only got 1 game compared to 2 last gen, but the dev cycles are the same, it's just that the PS4 got a near release date game from them and the by timing, it took 6 years between Infamous Second Son and Ghost of Tsushima and 5 years between that one and Ghost of Yotei, the dev cycle did not get worse.

I think Insomniac output is insane, and that's not really what we should expect other devs to deliver. Just look at Nintendo, they have less advanced games and the release periods are equal or sometimes even worse. 7 years between 3D Zeldas, 9 years since last 3D Mario and no announcement yet, 11 years between the last 2 Donkey Kong games, 11 years between the last 2 Mario Kart games, 18 years between the last 2 Metroid Prime games... their biggest games are taking a lot of time to come out just as well.

But yes, Sony should be doing other small games like Nintendo does, even as Nintendo does have a lot more to gain from 2D or smaller games in between those like Mario Wonder, Zelda Echoes, Metroid Dread etc...

Astro Bot proved 2 things, they won't sell gangbusters for at least a long time but they can bring more games for less money and still get a great reception out it. They tried with God of War Sons of Sparta but it didn't work well for them, but they really should be trying to push more and see what works out.

I think that is the key, given games have long development times.  Fill with Remakes or AA games.  Nintendo, with the S1, did a good job at this.  



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Zkuq said:
KLAMarine said:

*shrugs*

Video games are a luxury, not a necessity.

That is a terrible argument. Our lives would be absolutely miserable if only necessities cost a reasonable amount.

Cant see why. In a world reigned by capitalism, not everything is for everyone. That's why we have such category.

But that doesn't stop the less affortunates to have fun, like you are trying to imply.

Until the world that we live is completely ruined by war and the incesant resources mining, there will always be a lot of affordable ways to get entertainment. Specially the things that dont rely on tech complexity 

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160rmf said:
Zkuq said:

That is a terrible argument. Our lives would be absolutely miserable if only necessities cost a reasonable amount.

Cant see why. In a world reigned by capitalism, not everything is for everyone. That's why we have such category.

But that doesn't stop the less affortunates to have fun, like you are trying to imply.

Until the world that we live is completely ruined by war and the incesant resources mining, there will always be a lot of affordable ways to get entertainment. Specially the things that dont rely on tech complexity 

I'm just saying the luxury argument is a slippery slope, i.e. if you actually adhere to it, things will start to look very bad, because so many things in life are luxuries if you think about it. Fast internet access outside work? Mostly luxury. Books? Luxury. Sports equipment? Luxury. Meat? Luxury. Your favourite food? Probably luxury. Paper and pencils? Luxury (probably somewhat depending on where you live). Our lives are just full of different kinds of luxuries, and if all of it cost unreasonably much, you wouldn't be able to afford all that much Sure, there would still be affordable things left too, but overall, that sounds like fairly bland life to me.

There's probably ways to frame gaming differently from all the other luxuries, but simply excusing high costs for something because it's a luxury is a terrible argument.



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