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Conina said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

I feel like the world as a whole has no future. Between population collapse, global warming, and the rise of billionaires and AI datacenters aiming to take everyone's jobs, I feel like the future will be horribly dystopian. This isn't just a left vs right thing either. Right wingers know that people aren't having enough kids to replace themselves, which makes society collapse like Korea's.  

Why do you see a (slow and peaceful) population decline as a bad thing?

This planet is overpopulated by humans and the resources are limited.

In the long run, the world would be a much better place with less people.

The issue is it absolutely won't be slow and peaceful in many, if not most places. South Korea is looking to be the worst so far with this and the country is genuinely screwed if things don't change in a big way before much longer, for example AI and robotics getting good enough. Overpopulation being the issue is outdated thinking when fertility rates are falling off a cliff in an increasing number of places and is already below replacement level in about half of all countries. This video shows just how bad a fertility rate crisis can be long term.



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Cerebralbore101 said:

I'm doing okay, but I feel like if I lost my job tomorrow, I would just go out, buy a gun and off myself. I have some debt, but can pay it off within a year pretty easily. If I lost my job though it would balloon into something that I would never be able to pay off. Six months of no job would make it so I would have to sell my game collection. And if that happened I would rather not stay alive. It's more than the money. Its decades of hunting down rare and obscure games. Its knowing that I paid $5 for Rocket Knight or $11 for Super Metroid and knowing it would cost $80 to replace either. Compound that by 20 years of buying two or three games a month. 

If you value your game collection higher than your life, you should get your priorities straight.

Also... wouldn't you get unemployment benefits at least half a year, if you lose your job?



Norion said:
Conina said:

Why do you see a (slow and peaceful) population decline as a bad thing?

This planet is overpopulated by humans and the resources are limited.

In the long run, the world would be a much better place with less people.

The issue is it absolutely won't be slow and peaceful in many, if not most places. South Korea is looking to be the worst so far with this and the country is genuinely screwed if things don't change in a big way before much longer, for example AI and robotics getting good enough. Overpopulation being the issue is outdated thinking when fertility rates are falling off a cliff in an increasing number of places and is already below replacement level in about half of all countries. This video shows just how bad a fertility rate crisis can be long term.

The decline is going to be slow and peaceful for the most part only right wingers would say otherwise.  Also, most people alive today will not live long enough to see a decline in the world population since it's not going to happen in the next 30 years.  I more than likely will not live long enough to see a decline in the world population since I am already 53 and the person that wrote this tread will more than likely not live long enough to see a decline in the world population either since he is 41.



It has a future. The question is will it be good or not and if it's not it'll cause a boom time ahead of it. It's the way of things and history shows these states speed up so, short of nuclear or Ai armogedon, the future poor times will be fast and quick and then we get the boom times.



Chris Hu said:
Norion said:

The issue is it absolutely won't be slow and peaceful in many, if not most places. South Korea is looking to be the worst so far with this and the country is genuinely screwed if things don't change in a big way before much longer, for example AI and robotics getting good enough. Overpopulation being the issue is outdated thinking when fertility rates are falling off a cliff in an increasing number of places and is already below replacement level in about half of all countries. This video shows just how bad a fertility rate crisis can be long term.

The decline is going to be slow and peaceful for the most part only right wingers would say otherwise. Also, most people alive today will not live long enough to see a decline in the world population since it's not going to happen in the next 30 years. I more than likely will not live long enough to see a decline in the world population since I am already 53 and the person that wrote this tread will more than likely not live long enough to see a decline in the world population either since he is 41.

Kurzgesagt are not right wingers and pretending that only people from one part of the political spectrum care about this issue to discredit it is really silly. You realize that the main reason the global population is still growing currently is cause of Africa right? Most countries are not in Africa. Also yes you won't live to see the full negative effects of this but it's not just about people currently alive but how future generations will get harmed by this. Developed countries are using immigration to counter it but that only delays the inevitable and an increasing amount of poorer countries are going below replacement level and immigration won't help them. There has been plenty of talk about how China's demographics are gonna be a huge issue for the country in the coming decades. 



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Norion said:
Chris Hu said:

The decline is going to be slow and peaceful for the most part only right wingers would say otherwise. Also, most people alive today will not live long enough to see a decline in the world population since it's not going to happen in the next 30 years. I more than likely will not live long enough to see a decline in the world population since I am already 53 and the person that wrote this tread will more than likely not live long enough to see a decline in the world population either since he is 41.

Kurzgesagt are not right wingers and pretending that only people from one part of the political spectrum care about this issue to discredit it is really silly. You realize that the main reason the global population is still growing currently is cause of Africa right? Most countries are not in Africa. Also yes you won't live to see the full negative effects of this but it's not just about people currently alive but how future generations will get harmed by this. Developed countries are using immigration to counter it but that only delays the inevitable and an increasing amount of poorer countries are going below replacement level and immigration won't help them. There has been plenty of talk about how China's demographics are gonna be a huge issue for the country in the coming decades. 

Not only am I not going to live long enough to see any net negative effect of it again I will more than likely not live long enough to see an overall decline in the world population.  Also, a decline in the world population is going to be an overall net benefit for the planet as a whole it's going to lead to less pollution and nature reclaiming abandoned living spaces and better living conditions for non-human living on this planet.



It's definitely hard to feel optimistic. Fascism is on the rise again. The American ruling class and oligarchs elsewhere in the world seem dead-set on speed-running the race to the bottom, because "line goes up" is the only thing that matters to them. Their ultimate goal seems to be to make the entire working class obsolete, showing that even the jobs we want to do aren't safe from the latest fetishized tech nobody asked for, and there doesn't seem to be any sort of plan to deal with the consequences of having a majority of the population permanently unemployable through no fault of their own. Misinformation is rampant and getting worse through abuse of computer technology, the steady increase in anti-science and conspiratorial worldviews, and for-profit propagandists that thrive off of outrage and moral panics. This century seems like an unending parade of crisis after crisis, from 9/11 to the War on Terror to the Great Recession to COVID-19 to genocidal irredentism to worsening environmental problems. Too few people with real influence and resources seems willing to fix long-standing systemic issues, while too many stand to profit off of death, ignorance, and misery. Governments everywhere in the developed world just shrug their shoulders at the whole thing if not outright encourage this bad shit and/or sabotage good things, because they need to keep their donors (the aforementioned ruling class) happy and, for some political parties, because they want to keep the populace in a constant state of fear over some marginalized out-group that serves as a convenient scapegoat (typically racial & religious minorities, immigrants, and LGBTQ people).

But we have also demonstrated our capacity as a species to do better. We showed we were able to expand the middle class. We showed we are capable of having public goods that function well as improve quality of life. We've shown we can make huge advances in public health and safety (people used to be able to smoke everywhere in public when I was a kid and I hated it; now smoking rates are way down and it's banned in most public places in the U.S.). We're definitely regressing in some big ways, but we can still stop that in its tracks and continue to progress if we so chose. Things are probably going to get worse before they get better, though, and I fear it's going to take something truly awful to smack some sense into society. Society writ large has a terrible collective memory, after all ("Hey. Remember that guy we fired a few years ago because he was horrible? Let's hire him back because eggs cost too much and it's totally the current guy's fault. *one year later* Oh no! Things are even worse now! Who could have predicted this?"). It's because of that poor societal memory that progress requires constant work and vigilance and shouldn't be taken for granted, because the pendulum can always swing back.



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Chris Hu said:
Norion said:

Kurzgesagt are not right wingers and pretending that only people from one part of the political spectrum care about this issue to discredit it is really silly. You realize that the main reason the global population is still growing currently is cause of Africa right? Most countries are not in Africa. Also yes you won't live to see the full negative effects of this but it's not just about people currently alive but how future generations will get harmed by this. Developed countries are using immigration to counter it but that only delays the inevitable and an increasing amount of poorer countries are going below replacement level and immigration won't help them. There has been plenty of talk about how China's demographics are gonna be a huge issue for the country in the coming decades. 

Not only am I not going to live long enough to see any net negative effect of it again I will more than likely not live long enough to see an overall decline in the world population. Also, a decline in the world population is going to be an overall net benefit for the planet as a whole it's going to lead to less pollution and nature reclaiming abandoned living spaces and better living conditions for non-human living on this planet.

I already said what the main reason the world population is still currently growing is and that it's about how future generations will be impacted by it but alright. For the other part the population stabilizing and the world getting more eco-friendly and whatnot would be far preferable I'd say but sure the population declining will have beneficial side effects. I personally prioritize humanity's well being over that.



Whatever you do just don't buy that gun.

The world was pretty much always a very bad place to the majority of humans until some decades ago, and now it's starting to turn worse again, but you can be sure of one thing, if nobody has jobs, nobody buys stuff, and if nobody buys stuff, there is no rich people anymore, rich people don't survive without everyone else doing everything for them, and for their own survival it'll always be a stopping point.

I also love my game collection and would hate to lose it for the same reasons you gave, but even if electricity goes off forever today and games can't be played anymore, there is still a lot of great stuff out there for you to love and dedicate yourself to.

Anyway, just not let shitty people make your life miserable inside your own head, even as they continue to try to do it all over the world, nobody can make you give up but yourself.

I may be massively overreacting here focusing on a little bit of your post, but as this reply started: whatever you do just don't buy that gun.



Norion said:
Chris Hu said:

Not only am I not going to live long enough to see any net negative effect of it again I will more than likely not live long enough to see an overall decline in the world population. Also, a decline in the world population is going to be an overall net benefit for the planet as a whole it's going to lead to less pollution and nature reclaiming abandoned living spaces and better living conditions for non-human living on this planet.

I already said what the main reason the world population is still currently growing is and that it's about how future generations will be impacted by it but alright. For the other part the population stabilizing and the world getting more eco-friendly and whatnot would be far preferable I'd say but sure the population declining will have beneficial side effects. I personally prioritize humanity's well being over that.

Well, I live in Texas, and I am surrounded by assholes both the right wing, rich, conservative and religious kind, so I care more for non-humans than most the people that live near me.  Anyway, the Black Death was the only event in human history that actually caused a massive decline in human population, but it led to more positive effects than negative effects since it made farming more productive and helped spark the Renaissance.