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shavenferret said:

Trump started talking literal nonsense and aides had to rush reporters out of the room.

Sundowning?
Not enough naps?
Ministroke?
Is the end of Trump sooner than we all think?


https://www.themirror.com/news/us-news/trump-aides-rush-reporters-out-1963051.amp

Meanwhile, Trump and his followers are re-litigating all of their grievances from 2020 as a distraction from high gas prices resulting from the Iran War, which is turning into an absolute quagmire.

- carrying out a thorough character assassination of Dr. Fauci. Trump was ultimately in charge of the COVID response. MAGA has vacillated from calling COVID fake to claiming Fauci has killed a number of people that would be plausible only in China or India. 

- Election denialism. In Arizona, all of the Republican challengers to the Democratic leadership team are election denialists, and Andy Biggs had a hand in J6. Thankfully, Kalshi has Katie Hobbs at 88 percent odds of being re-elected, and the Democrats have a chance to flip two house seats - sadly, one of them is not Biggs’s old district, AZ-5, where the likely winner is sex scandal-plagued former sheriff Mark Lamb, which is considered safe red. But then again, Chandler, which is in AZ-5,  elected a Democratic mayor for the first time in 36 years. Convicted felon Tina Peters is being wined and dined at the White Houss, and Trump is once again pushing a slush fund for pardoned J6 sedition it’s. 



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Vivek Ramaswamy, who is the Republican nominee for governor of Ohio, got booed off stage by his own supposed MAGA supporters.

Ramaswamy has a real chance of losing to Amy Acton in reliably red Ohio. The sad thing is, if he loses, it wouldn’t be for the reason he should lose, i.e. that he’s a billionaire grifter who is going to strip Ohio for parts if he wins. He’ll lose because MAGA has been ginning up anti-Asian racism against India and China in particular, in India’s case over H1B visas.

MAGA star flees after trainwreck speech to home crowd -Daily Beast 



Torillian said:
Jimbo1337 said:

Actually, New Jersey Governor Mikie Sherrill recently announced that thousands of non-citizens were mistakenly registered to vote due to a state software glitch, and nearly 400 of them cast ballots. This proves that vulnerabilities do exist under current systems. Consequently, individuals who vote in violation of current laws should face criminal charges, voter rolls must be updated to remove ineligible names, and implementing preventive legislation is a logical next step to address these concerns at the source.

I'm glad we agree. That's exactly why voting against democratic socialists is necessary to keep them from getting into power and enacting those policies.

To my mind the New Jersey incident is evidence that things are working fine. The systems as they are found it and have corrected it and the amount of voting was small enough that it didn't affect anything. 

Do we need national legislation to try and avoid 400 already illegal votes?

Only unfortunate part about all this is the timing means some will latch on to it. 

It’s also worth looking at the scale of what we consider a threat to our elections. Back in 2016, a major focus was placed on the 26 Russian nationals indicted for trying to influence the election, and there was broad agreement that we needed urgent action to protect our system from foreign interference. If 26 foreign nationals warrant national concern and policy shifts, then nearly 400 non-citizens actually casting ballots through a state system failure is a vulnerability we shouldn't dismiss just because the number seems small. Security should be consistent, whether the vulnerability comes from foreign hackers or domestic software glitches.



Jimbo1337 said:
Torillian said:

To my mind the New Jersey incident is evidence that things are working fine. The systems as they are found it and have corrected it and the amount of voting was small enough that it didn't affect anything. 

Do we need national legislation to try and avoid 400 already illegal votes?

Only unfortunate part about all this is the timing means some will latch on to it. 

It’s also worth looking at the scale of what we consider a threat to our elections. Back in 2016, a major focus was placed on the 26 Russian nationals indicted for trying to influence the election, and there was broad agreement that we needed urgent action to protect our system from foreign interference. If 26 foreign nationals warrant national concern and policy shifts, then nearly 400 non-citizens actually casting ballots through a state system failure is a vulnerability we shouldn't dismiss just because the number seems small. Security should be consistent, whether the vulnerability comes from foreign hackers or domestic software glitches.

I don't know the details well enough to comment in further detail, but 26 individuals trying to affect the outcome can definitely sway way more than 400 voters if the know what they're doing.



Zkuq said:
Jimbo1337 said:

It’s also worth looking at the scale of what we consider a threat to our elections. Back in 2016, a major focus was placed on the 26 Russian nationals indicted for trying to influence the election, and there was broad agreement that we needed urgent action to protect our system from foreign interference. If 26 foreign nationals warrant national concern and policy shifts, then nearly 400 non-citizens actually casting ballots through a state system failure is a vulnerability we shouldn't dismiss just because the number seems small. Security should be consistent, whether the vulnerability comes from foreign hackers or domestic software glitches.

I don't know the details well enough to comment in further detail, but 26 individuals trying to affect the outcome can definitely sway way more than 400 voters if the know what they're doing.

That's true, but if you don't take those 400 seriously because they're 'small' internal problems right now, then you're just asking for that problem to get worse as time goes on, and how large does the number have to get before it's a serious enough threat to crack down on?

All you need is for the numbers to get high enough, along with just the right candidate, or better put, wrong candidate to win, just once, and that could be utterly devastating to the point of game over.

The point is if you know you have stage 1 cancer, you don't wait until it reaches stage 4 before doing something about it. Unless you want everything that would come along with that...



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EricHiggin said:
Zkuq said:

I don't know the details well enough to comment in further detail, but 26 individuals trying to affect the outcome can definitely sway way more than 400 voters if the know what they're doing.

That's true, but if you don't take those 400 seriously because they're 'small' internal problems right now, then you're just asking for that problem to get worse as time goes on, and how large does the number have to get before it's a serious enough threat to crack down on?

All you need is for the numbers to get high enough, along with just the right candidate, or better put, wrong candidate to win, just once, and that could be utterly devastating to the point of game over.

The point is if you know you have stage 1 cancer, you don't wait until it reaches stage 4 before doing something about it. Unless you want everything that would come along with that...

All I'm saying is that comparing those 26 to those 400 probably ain't right. I think someone else already touched upon those 400 votes in more detail, and I have no wish to get deeper into this discussion, because participating in it in a meaningful way (including whatever research is needed to be able to do so) is most likely not good use of my time.



Jimbo1337 said:
Torillian said:

To my mind the New Jersey incident is evidence that things are working fine. The systems as they are found it and have corrected it and the amount of voting was small enough that it didn't affect anything. 

Do we need national legislation to try and avoid 400 already illegal votes?

Only unfortunate part about all this is the timing means some will latch on to it. 

It’s also worth looking at the scale of what we consider a threat to our elections. Back in 2016, a major focus was placed on the 26 Russian nationals indicted for trying to influence the election, and there was broad agreement that we needed urgent action to protect our system from foreign interference. If 26 foreign nationals warrant national concern and policy shifts, then nearly 400 non-citizens actually casting ballots through a state system failure is a vulnerability we shouldn't dismiss just because the number seems small. Security should be consistent, whether the vulnerability comes from foreign hackers or domestic software glitches.

It's about the scale of the threat and the side effects of the fix. 26 foreign nationals working on influencing an election can have a much larger impact than 400 non-citizens voting. 

But beyond that my main concern is with the solutions being proposed. I would not want to make things more difficult for actual voters just to avoid a mistake that didn't even impact any elections. So you bring me a solution that won't negatively impact actual voters and I'll just agree that they should do that. 



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Trump was angry with Jeanine Pirro because she dropped charges on David Hearn over alleged reflecting pool vandalism, because she didn't have any actual evidence. They can say what they want in press conferences, but when you're talking to an actual judge, there are serious consequences for lying.

Now Trump is considering firing Pirro, saying that she "CHOKED" and that she "folded like an umbrella."

Just a reminder that last year, Pirro completely blew the case of the DC sandwich thrower by filing felony charges against him, which a grand jury rejected, apparently disproving the old adage "You can indict a ham sandwich," though given that a grand jury did agree to move forward with Hearn's case, that may have been the exception that proves the rule. The sandwich thrower's case was then prosecuted as a misdemeanor, which it should have been in the first place - he threw a sandwich, not a brick. By that point, the DC jury had had enough of Pirro's shenanigans and voted to acquit him of all charges. 

Pirro's other antics included being clocked driving 119 mph in a 65 mph zone in upstate NY, which should have gotten her jail time. Instead, she was allowed to plead guilty to 95 mph in a 65 mph zone and was fined $393. I guess they didn't give her a field sobriety test.

 Trump Reportedly Considers Firing Pirro Over Reflecting Pool - Says She 'Choked' - Forbes



EricHiggin said:
Zkuq said:

I don't know the details well enough to comment in further detail, but 26 individuals trying to affect the outcome can definitely sway way more than 400 voters if the know what they're doing.

That's true, but if you don't take those 400 seriously because they're 'small' internal problems right now, then you're just asking for that problem to get worse as time goes on, and how large does the number have to get before it's a serious enough threat to crack down on?

All you need is for the numbers to get high enough, along with just the right candidate, or better put, wrong candidate to win, just once, and that could be utterly devastating to the point of game over.

The point is if you know you have stage 1 cancer, you don't wait until it reaches stage 4 before doing something about it. Unless you want everything that would come along with that...

This isn't cancer, for one thing. People's rights are at stake here.

The 400 voters being caught is proof that the system worked as it should. They got caught and purged.

I will not accept my rights being curtailed because of what amounts to a rounding error.

If you wish to have your rights curtailed, you are welcome to lobby to do so. In YOUR country, not mine. 



Torillian said:
Jimbo1337 said:

It’s also worth looking at the scale of what we consider a threat to our elections. Back in 2016, a major focus was placed on the 26 Russian nationals indicted for trying to influence the election, and there was broad agreement that we needed urgent action to protect our system from foreign interference. If 26 foreign nationals warrant national concern and policy shifts, then nearly 400 non-citizens actually casting ballots through a state system failure is a vulnerability we shouldn't dismiss just because the number seems small. Security should be consistent, whether the vulnerability comes from foreign hackers or domestic software glitches.

It's about the scale of the threat and the side effects of the fix. 26 foreign nationals working on influencing an election can have a much larger impact than 400 non-citizens voting. 

But beyond that my main concern is with the solutions being proposed. I would not want to make things more difficult for actual voters just to avoid a mistake that didn't even impact any elections. So you bring me a solution that won't negatively impact actual voters and I'll just agree that they should do that. 

Using airport-style identity checks actually perfectly addresses your concern about side effects, because it proves we can have high security without making life harder for the average person.
Think about how the TSA operates today: you walk up, insert your ID into a scanner, a green light flashes, and you walk through. It takes five seconds. The advanced technology does the heavy lifting on the back end, while the experience for the traveler remains seamless and simple.
Bringing that same logic to voting doesn't mean adding long lines or complex paperwork for citizens. It means updating local polling places with modern, automated ID scanners that instantly verify eligibility against state records. High security doesn't have to mean high burden; it just means using smart, fast technology to protect the system automatically.