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Jimbo1337 2 days ago
Torillian said:
Jimbo1337 said:
You are misunderstanding how scanners operate. That’s like thinking a valid boarding pass lets you board any plane you want, and then being confused when the gate scanner flashes red and blocks you. The scanner reads the backend data, not just the card itself. It works the exact same way with voter eligibility.
The proposal isn't merely about checking that a piece of plastic is real; it is about the automated validation of the data attached to it.
When an ID is scanned, the technology instantly checks the individual's eligibility against live state records. If the underlying database has been updated or audited to flag specific administrative errors, the automated scanner catches that status immediately.
This eliminates the reliance on manual checks by poll workers, who have no way of knowing if a name on a printed roster or standard e-poll book contains a systemic error.
I'm glad you came around and agree that we need to validate voter rolls. 

Let's try this again: You are misunderstanding where the error lies. No manual poll worker mistakenly let these people vote, they correctly let people who were mistakenly registered to vote do so. 

The 400 names were in the registered voter rolls which is what your system would use to validate that they were eligible. The manual checks were not the issue here, it's the system that put people on the eligible voter rolls in the first place. The solution could be to make it more cumbersome to register to vote in New Jersey, but this is not something I'm likely to agree to. 

Lastly, I do not agree with having ID requirements as it would not have even solved the problem, and makes voting more annoying compared to mail-in ballots with a drop box which is my preference for the sake of convenience. 
Let’s take a look at our posts side-by-side, because my previous message actually addressed the exact database issue you are raising.
You wrote: 'The manual checks were not the issue here, it's the system that put people on the eligible voter rolls in the first place.'
But my post explicitly accounted for that: I noted it is 'about the automated validation of the data attached to it,' and specified, 'If the underlying database has been updated or audited to flag specific administrative errors, the automated scanner catches that status immediately.'
This is exactly why I concluded by saying we agree on the need to validate voter rolls. An airport scanner is structurally tied to verified backend data; the scanner and the database are not separate concepts. That validated backend has been the foundation of my proposal from the beginning.
I do appreciate that you recognize the distinction between identity checks and security checks, which sets this apart from SanAndreasX’s recent post. His post is simply on cloud 9.
I’ll leave my point about manual checks by poll workers brief for now, as I think if you look back at how automated enforcement interacts with an audited database, the connection will be clear. I have faith that I don't need to explicitly state every single point in fine detail. Please don't prove me right.
Edited to include this video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_I_hI3_kik
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Torillian 1 day ago
Jimbo1337 said:
Torillian said:

Let's try this again: You are misunderstanding where the error lies. No manual poll worker mistakenly let these people vote, they correctly let people who were mistakenly registered to vote do so. 

The 400 names were in the registered voter rolls which is what your system would use to validate that they were eligible. The manual checks were not the issue here, it's the system that put people on the eligible voter rolls in the first place. The solution could be to make it more cumbersome to register to vote in New Jersey, but this is not something I'm likely to agree to. 

Lastly, I do not agree with having ID requirements as it would not have even solved the problem, and makes voting more annoying compared to mail-in ballots with a drop box which is my preference for the sake of convenience. 

Let’s take a look at our posts side-by-side, because my previous message actually addressed the exact database issue you are raising.
You wrote: 'The manual checks were not the issue here, it's the system that put people on the eligible voter rolls in the first place.'
But my post explicitly accounted for that: I noted it is 'about the automated validation of the data attached to it,' and specified, 'If the underlying database has been updated or audited to flag specific administrative errors, the automated scanner catches that status immediately.'
This is exactly why I concluded by saying we agree on the need to validate voter rolls. An airport scanner is structurally tied to verified backend data; the scanner and the database are not separate concepts. That validated backend has been the foundation of my proposal from the beginning.
I do appreciate that you recognize the distinction between identity checks and security checks, which sets this apart from SanAndreasX’s recent post. His post is simply on cloud 9.
I’ll leave my point about manual checks by poll workers brief for now, as I think if you look back at how automated enforcement interacts with an audited database, the connection will be clear. I have faith that I don't need to explicitly state every single point in fine detail. Please don't prove me right.
Edited to include this video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_I_hI3_kik

Watched the video and it showed exactly what I thought: they check the ID is valid, that it's you, and that your on a list of people flying that day. So in the case we are talking about they all got mistakenly put on the voter rolls at the DMV by pressing the wrong buttons, probably while getting their driver's license. So they would have a legit ID, they'd be the person on the ID, and the lookup would find them registered to vote. They'd pass your check with flying colors. 

The issue is on the backend which was the process at the DMV. There are ways that could be avoided but usually they involve making the process more difficult for everyone involved and I'm not going to support that. For instance instead of this being a process done semi-automatically when you get a driver's license it could be completely separate so you couldn't accidentally click a wrong button but would have to be specifically intending to become eligible to vote. That would mean less legit voters would bother and would be much less convenient so I'm against it. Personally I'm a fan of the process I dealt with in Michigan in 2020 when everyone on the voter rolls got sent a ballot in the mail automatically and then you dropped it in a box. 

BTW: this condescension you've descended into is getting old fast. How about you prove to me you know what the fuck you are talking about and tell me what they should do that would fix the actual problem. 



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SanAndreasX 1 day ago
EricHiggin said:
SanAndreasX said:

This isn't cancer, for one thing. People's rights are at stake here.

The 400 voters being caught is proof that the system worked as it should. They got caught and purged.

I will not accept my rights being curtailed because of what amounts to a rounding error.

If you wish to have your rights curtailed, you are welcome to lobby to do so. In YOUR country, not mine. 

A guy I once worked with said the same thing. "It's not cancerous". Another co-worker was simply giving his opinion since their family had dealt with something similar not long before. He actually quietly took the advice and got checked out and turned out it was cancer. Just very early stage so it wasn't very obvious. He got it taken care of asap so it never became a bigger problem.

It's also proof that the system is flawed. Failing to update the system will likely lead to even bigger problems down the road. The police catch criminals, but they don't always catch them all. Should the police never update their system, failing to better serve the public in the future?

If it's not cancer as you say, then it's also not just a rounding error either.

'Luckily', I don't need to lobby. My Gov is doing that all on their own accord, and aboot half my fellow 'Countrypeople' are cheering it on as that boot squeezes tighter and tighter on their necks. So much so that the number of the other half of my people leaving and moving elsewhere, like to your Country, is growing considerably. If only the disregarded problems here hadn't stacked up and allowed for what's happening now...

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin

And that is how I feel. I am not willing to accept a single infringement on my rights over 400 votes out of a pool of 2.2 million votes. I am not willing to accept a single infringement on my rights because one man, already mentally ill for his entire life, and now descending deeply into senility, cannot accept that he lost an election because he botched the public response to the worst health crisis in 40 years. 



EricHiggin 1 day ago
SanAndreasX said:
EricHiggin said:

A guy I once worked with said the same thing. "It's not cancerous". Another co-worker was simply giving his opinion since their family had dealt with something similar not long before. He actually quietly took the advice and got checked out and turned out it was cancer. Just very early stage so it wasn't very obvious. He got it taken care of asap so it never became a bigger problem.

It's also proof that the system is flawed. Failing to update the system will likely lead to even bigger problems down the road. The police catch criminals, but they don't always catch them all. Should the police never update their system, failing to better serve the public in the future?

If it's not cancer as you say, then it's also not just a rounding error either.

'Luckily', I don't need to lobby. My Gov is doing that all on their own accord, and aboot half my fellow 'Countrypeople' are cheering it on as that boot squeezes tighter and tighter on their necks. So much so that the number of the other half of my people leaving and moving elsewhere, like to your Country, is growing considerably. If only the disregarded problems here hadn't stacked up and allowed for what's happening now...

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin

And that is how I feel. I am not willing to accept a single infringement on my rights over 400 votes out of a pool of 2.2 million votes. I am not willing to accept a single infringement on my rights because one man, already mentally ill for his entire life, and now descending deeply into senility, cannot accept that he lost an election because he botched the public response to the worst health crisis in 40 years. 

Do you also completely agree with everything Ben and the rest of the Founding Fathers said?

You're using that quote out of context. If that were true, every, single, American, would be guilty of that today.

"I am not willing to accept a single infringement on my rights over 400 votes"

How about 4,000 votes? 40,000? How about just enough to elect another 'senile, mentally ill, health crisis botcher'?

I wonder if the Constitution was meant to, or has ever been, changed since its inception?...



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PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

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SanAndreasX 1 day ago
EricHiggin said:
SanAndreasX said:

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin

And that is how I feel. I am not willing to accept a single infringement on my rights over 400 votes out of a pool of 2.2 million votes. I am not willing to accept a single infringement on my rights because one man, already mentally ill for his entire life, and now descending deeply into senility, cannot accept that he lost an election because he botched the public response to the worst health crisis in 40 years. 

Do you also completely agree with everything Ben and the rest of the Founding Fathers said?

You're using that quote out of context. If that were true, every, single, American, would be guilty of that today.

"I am not willing to accept a single infringement on my rights over 400 votes"

How about 4,000 votes? 40,000? How about just enough to elect another 'senile, mentally ill, health crisis botcher'?

I wonder if the Constitution was meant to, or has ever been, changed since its inception?...

That's funny. because the senile, mentally ill crisis botcher begged the Georgia secretary of state to "find" him just enough votes to win Georgia.

Like I said, not a single infringement. Full stop.  If you're having trouble understanding this, have your kid explain the big words to you.

And there is a process for amending the Constitution. But it is not by presidential fiat. Considering that the Senate has pretty much ignored the SAVE Act, I don't see great odds for getting 38 states on board with a Constitutionally amended version of it. That amendment would be dead before you got all the way through New England. 

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EricHiggin 1 day ago
SanAndreasX said:
EricHiggin said:

Do you also completely agree with everything Ben and the rest of the Founding Fathers said?

You're using that quote out of context. If that were true, every, single, American, would be guilty of that today.

"I am not willing to accept a single infringement on my rights over 400 votes"

How about 4,000 votes? 40,000? How about just enough to elect another 'senile, mentally ill, health crisis botcher'?

I wonder if the Constitution was meant to, or has ever been, changed since its inception?...

That's funny. because the senile, mentally ill crisis botcher begged the Georgia secretary of state to "find" him just enough votes to win Georgia.

Like I said, not a single infringement. Full stop.  If you're having trouble understanding this, have your kid explain the big words to you.

And there is a process for amending the Constitution. But it is not by presidential fiat. Considering that the Senate has pretty much ignored the SAVE Act, I don't see great odds for getting 38 states on board with a Constitutionally amended version of it. That amendment would be dead before you got all the way through New England. 

My favorite newer use for media, is when kids, talk to American adults, and ask them what they think about what senile, mentally ill, crises botchers say or propose or put into practice, and those American adults respond with nothing but (extreme) negativity.

Then the kid tells them that all those things were actually from smart blue people who understand big words, and those American adults throw a fit or go silent and walk away.

Some people need to learn the hard way. There's plenty of them up here as well, unfortunately. Good luck to us all...



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PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

SvennoJ 1 day ago

Meanwhile, I love how Abdul El-Sayed snubs Trump at every turn, see at 11:00 minutes

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Masterclass in how to respond to bullies.



SanAndreasX 15 hours ago

In another monument to Trump's narcissism, he is now going to close DCA (Ronald Reagan International Airport) for 3 hours on August 23 for an IndyCar event on the national mall.

All of these tacky sporting events he's held on Federal property are a great example of what the Romans called "panem et circenses," entertainment to distract the masses from the corruption and the tanking economy.

Or to put it in modern terms, Trump is trying to sportswash this absolute mess of a presidency. In this regard, he's taking many cues from his good friend, Prince Muhammad Bone Sawman, who has his tentacles deep in FIFA and recently bought EA, a purchase almost certainly made entirely for EA Sports.

It's also worth reminding everyone that one of the minority partners in the EA private equity buyout is Silver Lake, owned by Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner.

DC-Area Airport to Close for 3 Hours for Grand Prix Event - NYT



Bofferbrauer2 13 hours ago
SanAndreasX said:

In another monument to Trump's narcissism, he is now going to close DCA (Ronald Reagan International Airport) for 3 hours on August 23 for an IndyCar event on the national mall.

All of these tacky sporting events he's held on Federal property are a great example of what the Romans called "panem et circenses," entertainment to distract the masses from the corruption and the tanking economy.

Or to put it in modern terms, Trump is trying to sportswash this absolute mess of a presidency. In this regard, he's taking many cues from his good friend, Prince Muhammad Bone Sawman, who has his tentacles deep in FIFA and recently bought EA, a purchase almost certainly made entirely for EA Sports.

It's also worth reminding everyone that one of the minority partners in the EA private equity buyout is Silver Lake, owned by Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner.

DC-Area Airport to Close for 3 Hours for Grand Prix Event - NYT

Well, he's trying with the circuses part of panem et circenses, alright... but for the bread part, he doesn't really do anything to lower the food prices. In other words, as usual for him, it's a half-measure, and thus nothing that will earn him any points.



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SanAndreasX 11 hours ago
Bofferbrauer2 said:
SanAndreasX said:

In another monument to Trump's narcissism, he is now going to close DCA (Ronald Reagan International Airport) for 3 hours on August 23 for an IndyCar event on the national mall.

All of these tacky sporting events he's held on Federal property are a great example of what the Romans called "panem et circenses," entertainment to distract the masses from the corruption and the tanking economy.

Or to put it in modern terms, Trump is trying to sportswash this absolute mess of a presidency. In this regard, he's taking many cues from his good friend, Prince Muhammad Bone Sawman, who has his tentacles deep in FIFA and recently bought EA, a purchase almost certainly made entirely for EA Sports.

It's also worth reminding everyone that one of the minority partners in the EA private equity buyout is Silver Lake, owned by Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner.

DC-Area Airport to Close for 3 Hours for Grand Prix Event - NYT

Well, he's trying with the circuses part of panem et circenses, alright... but for the bread part, he doesn't really do anything to lower the food prices. In other words, as usual for him, it's a half-measure, and thus nothing that will earn him any points.

Not only that, but the "bread" is giving people the exploding shits. The literal shit-storm from Taylor Farms just keeps rolling. After the USDA and the FDA both assured the public that Taylor Farms was safe. How's that whole MAHA thing going on? At least we have the option of buying Cheetos the color of puppy turds, even if they're really just as unhealthy as they've ever been. 

Taylor Farms recalls jalapeno products due to salmonella risk - CNN