Zkuq said:
SanAndreasX said:
Third parties are not viable in the U.S. system. Furthermore, the third parties that do exist, suck more than the Democrats do, and are not worth throwing my vote away on. I also live in a swing state, and there is no fucking way in hell that I want Andy Biggs as my governor, Gina Swoboda as my Secretary of State, or Warren Peterson as my AG. Katie Hobbs, Adrian Fontes, and Kris Mayes have done a solid enough job at sheltering Arizona from some of the worst excesses of the Trump administration, as much as can be expected. Biggs will throw the door wide open for Trump and his bullshit.
As I said, I am in accord with proportional representation and confidence votes. However, these things would require Constitutional amendments to change. It only takes 12 states out of 50 to block a Constitutional amendment, and the South + the Upper Plains exceeds that threshold by a large measure.
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Basically pick the lesser evil or have fun with death and destruction (i.e. revolution). I feel sorry for your country, because it seems really broken to me. Obviously it has its good sides as well, but it seems to have some really deep issues, including not being able to fix them without something quite drastic happening.
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A lot of it dates back to the compromises that were made during colonial days - it only took 78 years for the U.S. to split in two over the issue of slavery, after which it was patched together by constitutional amendments that were passed while the defeated Confederate states were still in limbo - a lot of it is the result of the failed Reconstruction effort after the Civil War, and a lot of it is fueled by the ethnoreligious makeup of the U.S.
That said, most elected politics are pretty much about picking the lesser of two evils (or the least of several evils.) The lesser of two evils may still be evil, but the lesser of two evils is also still less evil, but evil is often better at organizing. The U.S. has a two-party system at the federal level. But other than the seven "swing" states, pretty much every jurisdiction in the U.S. is actually a one party jurisdiction. Massachusetts is 30 percent Republican but is dominated, top-to-bottom, by the Democrats. Oklahoma is 35 percent Democratic, but Republicans pretty much hold all the power from city councils all the way up to the state offices as well as Congressional delegation. In all the years I lived in Oklahoma, I never had any true representation. The state's Republican lawmakers and governor are openly dismissive and scornful of Democratic citizens. "If you don't like it, move," they said - and that's exactly what I did.
In Arizona, where I live now, state offices in a state with almost 8 million inhabitants are decided on razor-thin margins of hundreds. I like my Democratic leadership team and Senators about as well as I can be said to like any politician (which isn't much, I ultimately don't trust them), and third parties have absolutely nothing to offer me except handing the state over to a J6 election denier like Andy Biggs, who had to ask Trump for a pardon related to shady stuff he pulled during J6.
In the U.S., even setting aside the problems of the first-past-the post, winner-takes-all two-party system, the extant third parties suck big time. Jill Stein is the face of the Green Party in the U.S., and she is absolutely worthless. She makes Hail Mary runs at the White House very four years, and that'sp pretty much it. Her campaign in 2024 was actually bankrolled by Republican PACs.
I think third parties should honestly look at trying to go after Republican voters instead of always attacking the Democrats, honestly. They never go after Republicans. I see people who claim that they dislike Trump but could never vote for Biden, Harris, or what have you. Why don't these people who are clamoring for third parties offer a third way for these self-proclaimed classical Reagan conservatives?
Last edited by SanAndreasX - on 15 May 2026