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SanAndreasX said:
SvennoJ said:

Kamala would simply have continued Biden's policy towards the ME. Trump did get Israel to reduce the pace of the genocide in Gaza. Dunno if Kamala would have followed Netanyahu into attacking Iran though, but remember Israel started the 12 day war without the US before. The one refreshing thing about Trump is that he blabs many of the real intentions out loud. The democrats with Biden did as much damage with sanctions as Trump with tarifs, Democrats are waging an economic war on the world just as much, yet cover it up better. Same for immigration. Difference is Trump does it more openly to gather support from his fascist base.

Is there no 3rd party in the US that can promote change and get votes. Labor in the UK is getting rightfully slaughtered, yet there it's not a pendulum for the other side of the coin to continue. Not that the green party has a track record, but maybe some change can come from it.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/08/greens-unseat-labour-to-win-mayoral-election-in-hackney-zoe-garbett

Two party politics are the core of the problems in the USA, both parties are in servitude of the same oligarch masters. So yeah, proportional representation according to popular vote is needed in the USA, abandon the winner takes all nonsense. That solves gerrymandering as well, obsolete. Plus removal of the president/PM on a no confidence vote like in better working democracies.

Third parties are not viable in the U.S. system. Furthermore, the third parties that do exist, suck more than the Democrats do, and are not worth throwing my vote away on. I also live in a swing state, and there is no fucking way in hell that I want Andy Biggs as my governor, Gina Swoboda as my Secretary of State, or Warren Peterson as my AG. Katie Hobbs, Adrian Fontes, and Kris Mayes have done a solid enough job at sheltering Arizona from some of the worst excesses of the Trump administration, as much as can be expected. Biggs will throw the door wide open for Trump and his bullshit. 

As I said, I am in accord with proportional representation and confidence votes. However, these things would require Constitutional amendments to change. It only takes 12 states out of 50 to block a Constitutional amendment, and the South + the Upper Plains exceeds that threshold by a large measure. 

Basically pick the lesser evil or have fun with death and destruction (i.e. revolution). I feel sorry for your country, because it seems really broken to me. Obviously it has its good sides as well, but it seems to have some really deep issues, including not being able to fix them without something quite drastic happening.



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SvennoJ said:

Anyone actually think the democrats will do better / fix things? US needs a revolution to rid itself from psycho billionaires pulling the strings. Democrats are just the other side of the same coin.

Let me put it this way: There's practically no way they can do worse than the current administration, so yes, they will do better.

Now, if the question would have been if they will do good, that's an entirely different thing, and as long as there ain't any candidates running, we'll have no way of knowing.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
SvennoJ said:

Anyone actually think the democrats will do better / fix things? US needs a revolution to rid itself from psycho billionaires pulling the strings. Democrats are just the other side of the same coin.

Let me put it this way: There's practically no way they can do worse than the current administration, so yes, they will do better.

Now, if the question would have been if they will do good, that's an entirely different thing, and as long as there ain't any candidates running, we'll have no way of knowing.

I don't share your enthusiasm, burned too many times thinking it can't get any worse. Is it already too far in the past that genocide Joe made it possible for Trump to get re-elected. 1.18 million Covid deaths in the US weren't enough never to see Trump in office again, nor felony convictions.



SvennoJ said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Let me put it this way: There's practically no way they can do worse than the current administration, so yes, they will do better.

Now, if the question would have been if they will do good, that's an entirely different thing, and as long as there ain't any candidates running, we'll have no way of knowing.

I don't share your enthusiasm, burned too many times thinking it can't get any worse. Is it already too far in the past that genocide Joe made it possible for Trump to get re-elected. 1.18 million Covid deaths in the US weren't enough never to see Trump in office again, nor felony convictions.

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Zkuq said:
SanAndreasX said:

Third parties are not viable in the U.S. system. Furthermore, the third parties that do exist, suck more than the Democrats do, and are not worth throwing my vote away on. I also live in a swing state, and there is no fucking way in hell that I want Andy Biggs as my governor, Gina Swoboda as my Secretary of State, or Warren Peterson as my AG. Katie Hobbs, Adrian Fontes, and Kris Mayes have done a solid enough job at sheltering Arizona from some of the worst excesses of the Trump administration, as much as can be expected. Biggs will throw the door wide open for Trump and his bullshit. 

As I said, I am in accord with proportional representation and confidence votes. However, these things would require Constitutional amendments to change. It only takes 12 states out of 50 to block a Constitutional amendment, and the South + the Upper Plains exceeds that threshold by a large measure. 

Basically pick the lesser evil or have fun with death and destruction (i.e. revolution). I feel sorry for your country, because it seems really broken to me. Obviously it has its good sides as well, but it seems to have some really deep issues, including not being able to fix them without something quite drastic happening.

A lot of it dates back to the compromises that were made during colonial days - it only took 78 years for the U.S. to split in two over the issue of slavery, after which it was patched together by constitutional amendments that were passed while the defeated Confederate states were still in limbo -  a lot of it is the result of the failed Reconstruction effort after the Civil War, and a lot of it is fueled by the ethnoreligious makeup of the U.S.  

That said, most elected politics are pretty much about picking the lesser of two evils (or the least of several evils.) The lesser of two evils may still be evil, but the lesser of two evils is also still less evil, but evil is often better at organizing. The U.S. has a two-party system at the federal level. But other than the seven "swing" states, pretty much every jurisdiction in the U.S. is actually a one party jurisdiction. Massachusetts is 30 percent Republican but is dominated, top-to-bottom, by the Democrats. Oklahoma is 35 percent Democratic, but Republicans pretty much hold all the power from city councils all the way up to the state offices as well as Congressional delegation. In all the years I lived in Oklahoma, I never had any true representation. The state's Republican lawmakers and governor are openly dismissive and scornful of Democratic citizens. "If you don't like it, move," they said - and that's exactly what I did.

In Arizona, where I live now, state offices in a state with almost 8 million inhabitants are decided on razor-thin margins of hundreds. I like my Democratic leadership team and Senators about as well as I can be said to like any politician (which isn't much, I ultimately don't trust them), and third parties have absolutely nothing to offer me except handing the state over to a J6 election denier like Andy Biggs, who had to ask Trump for a pardon related to shady stuff he pulled during J6. 

In the U.S., even setting aside the problems of the first-past-the post, winner-takes-all two-party system, the extant third parties suck big time. Jill Stein is the face of the Green Party in the U.S., and she is absolutely worthless. She makes Hail Mary runs at the White House very four years, and that'sp pretty much it. Her campaign in 2024 was actually bankrolled by Republican PACs. 

I think third parties should honestly look at trying to go after Republican voters instead of always attacking the Democrats, honestly. They never go after Republicans. I see people who claim that they dislike Trump but could never vote for Biden, Harris, or what have you. Why don't these people who are clamoring for third parties offer a third way for these self-proclaimed classical Reagan conservatives? 

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SvennoJ said:

Anyone actually think the democrats will do better / fix things? US needs a revolution to rid itself from psycho billionaires pulling the strings. Democrats are just the other side of the same coin.

I read an article just this week that AOC is the lead candidate for the next presidential election.  Point being, if true, it doesn't matter, because the GoP will rip her apart.  She is NY and too left.  



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Chrkeller said:
SvennoJ said:

Anyone actually think the democrats will do better / fix things? US needs a revolution to rid itself from psycho billionaires pulling the strings. Democrats are just the other side of the same coin.

I read an article just this week that AOC is the lead candidate for the next presidential election.  Point being, if true, it doesn't matter, because the GoP will rip her apart.  She is NY and too left.  

This was the first poll she was actually leading, almost all the others were either Harris or Newsom, with one for Buttigieg in March. She was actually polling mostly around 10% before this poll where she got 26% and Harris less than 13%

It's also not clear if she actually will run, chances are she'll primary Chuck Schumer in the Senate instead, which could actually be much more beneficial for the democrats if Schumer is out and someone else like Buttigieg became president.

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Bofferbrauer2 said:
Chrkeller said:

I read an article just this week that AOC is the lead candidate for the next presidential election.  Point being, if true, it doesn't matter, because the GoP will rip her apart.  She is NY and too left.  

This was the first poll she was actually leading, almost all the others were either Harris or Newsom, with one for Buttigieg in March. She was actually polling mostly around 10% before this poll where she got 26% and Harris less than 13%

It's also not clear if she actually will run, chances are she'll primary Chuck Schumer in the Senate instead, which could actually be much more beneficial for the democrats if Schumer is out and someone else like Buttigieg became president.

My hypothesis is running anyone from California or New York is a bad idea.  I don't think it will resonate with middle America, which is where democrats are getting slaughtered.  

The last time a Democrat from New York or California won the presidency was 1940...  



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SvennoJ said:

Anyone actually think the democrats will do better / fix things? US needs a revolution to rid itself from psycho billionaires pulling the strings. Democrats are just the other side of the same coin.

Well, historically, yes, Democrats are much better for the economy. In.Every.Category. Fact, not opinion. 

And you’d have to try to do worse than a guy who kicked millions of Americans off their health insurance, closed down thousands of rural hospitals, caused prices of everything to skyrocket with tariffs and an illegal, unprovoked war costing $billions, gutted Medicare and Medicaid after promising he wouldn’t touch them, murdering and torturing innocent people with draconian ICE attacks, caused a 45% YOY home foreclosure surge and netted a loss in jobs since taking office (after inheriting an economy on the up in terms of jobs), twice (and these are just off the top of my head). That takes a special kind of incompetent buffoon (Dumb Dumb loves to project in case you haven’t noticed), like a guy who bankrupts two casinos, which are money machines. How is that even possible?

It’s gotten so bad that his party is losing special elections in deep red districts and down by 7-8 points in the Senate race in fucking Texas (and could, no, scratch that, favored to also lose the Senate in the midterms). If that’s not an indictment on your job as President, then nothing is.

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