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Torillian said:
EricHiggin said:

What if the men aren't fighting for it because that would be stupid and wrong from their perspective? What if they personally find woman to be better parents than men overall, so therefore fighting for the kids and winning, would be a worse outcome? What if they are sacrificing their wants for the good of society?

What if it's not due to superiority, but due to difficulty, ego, wages, peer pressure, societal pressure, family expectations, etc. There's a lot of reasons why people choose the roles they do. Not that many people truly do what they love, and it's sure not because society makes it impossible these days.

I would prefer society decide what they find more important, and indirectly push to have the best take those roles. The less important roles don't matter as much so focus much less on them and let whoever loosely qualifies take those roles.

I don't care if you love to do surgery, if I need it, and you're not very good at it, then I could care less that you love to do it. I'd much rather have someone who's known to be top notch, who's parents pushed them to do it, yet they don't really love their job. Same goes for say, anything aviation related. Your people love their jobs but your airline is always having minor or major problems? I'll pass, and choose the airline full of grumpy a**holes who don't enjoy the work itself, yet never seem to have any problems. In terms of less importance, if the fast food restaurant I'm at kinda sucks, then I'll just live with it, even if everyone there loves their job, because it's just fast food.

The last point of the last post was just saying there's no definitive right or wrong in this case. Everyone will see things differently and will prefer a different outcome.

What if taking care of kids after you both get home from work is hard and they're just lazy pieces of shit so they fall on societal norms that say women should do it?

Society decides what roles it values based on what it's willing to pay for it. This kind of goes against your idea that the roles are equal, though, because taking care of the home is not given any value under that system. 

That's another of the many possibilities in certain households these days, but in those same households, when there's a bump in the night and the wife tells the husband to go deal with it, is that because she's a lazy POS? Maybe because he's more likely to better deal with the confrontation if there is one? Maybe because it's better if he dies trying to protect the family vs her if it comes to that?

Money isn't the only thing people value. Not in a worthy society that will last anyway. They also say the best things in life are free.



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bdbdbd said:
Torillian said:

So men'll do all those annoying house chores when they can't get someone else to do it, but if a woman is in the home they'll assume they don't have to? What point do you think this is making?

No. Men do these chores, but most of the time it's not good enought for women. He does these these chores, but they're never good enough. Even if he did 2 hours of chores each day, she would still do an hour to fix what she thinks he did wrong complaining why does she always have to do all this stuff. Partially this is because of how women view relationships and mutual homes. And also about the different standards men and women have. Outsiders can't tell the difference if it was him or her who did the dishes or fixed their car. 

bdbdbd said:
Torillian said:

any proof for this assertion that women are wrong in thinking men don't do their fair share of the chores? 

Here's mine for women doing most of the household chores even in dual income situations. Heck even when the woman is earning more. 

https://news.gallup.com/poll/283979/women-handle-main-household-tasks.aspx

I know they do. Why would you do the chores if the other is going to do them anyway after you? Secondly, all the stuff men do is rately counted as house work and when it is, then there's women doing meta work, meaning that they think chores more than men instead of doing it.

Why women typically do this, is because of how women view relationships and mutual homes.

JRPGfan said:
Torillian said:

Just vibes dude.....nothing to back it up. 

This entire thing is side tracked and off topic though.

This thread is about Disney losing money, and audiences shrinking because Men don't watch the IP's they bought up, and what they did to them.


Disney changed Marvels and Star Wars, looking to expand their demographics to suit women and "the modern audience" and it cost them,
part of the male audience. Overall they lost more audience members than they gained, and thus they are making less on them than they wanted too.
Now the accountants step in and go "you need change your ways", and thus Disney puts out a PR thingy going "We want to gain back the boys".

It's almost like the boys aren't happy with the job the girls are doing...

I wonder if the girls ever disapprove of the job the boys are doing?



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EricHiggin said:
bdbdbd said:

No. Men do these chores, but most of the time it's not good enought for women. He does these these chores, but they're never good enough. Even if he did 2 hours of chores each day, she would still do an hour to fix what she thinks he did wrong complaining why does she always have to do all this stuff. Partially this is because of how women view relationships and mutual homes. And also about the different standards men and women have. Outsiders can't tell the difference if it was him or her who did the dishes or fixed their car. 

bdbdbd said:

I know they do. Why would you do the chores if the other is going to do them anyway after you? Secondly, all the stuff men do is rately counted as house work and when it is, then there's women doing meta work, meaning that they think chores more than men instead of doing it.

Why women typically do this, is because of how women view relationships and mutual homes.

JRPGfan said:

This entire thing is side tracked and off topic though.

This thread is about Disney losing money, and audiences shrinking because Men don't watch the IP's they bought up, and what they did to them.


Disney changed Marvels and Star Wars, looking to expand their demographics to suit women and "the modern audience" and it cost them,
part of the male audience. Overall they lost more audience members than they gained, and thus they are making less on them than they wanted too.
Now the accountants step in and go "you need change your ways", and thus Disney puts out a PR thingy going "We want to gain back the boys".

It's almost like the boys aren't happy with the job the girls are doing...

I wonder if the girls ever disapprove of the job the boys are doing?

All the time? (even if they arn't into gaming, they will wreck the industry for the fun of it)

How often do you hear girls online complain about "icks" and things guys shouldn't do, or should do. What hobbies guys are allowed to have ect.
You ever see the thread on Resetera called "Why women criticise sexualised character designs?".


Or how DEI isn't big enough in the video game space? Consultant groups like sweet baby inc ?
How they bully the industry into change? with threats and such? while making a quick buck off of the studios, that already have a hard time making money. Hell even recently there was the Paypal stuff with Steam..... where banks because of women groups, were causing Valve (steam) issues (they were selling NSFW games).

If guys go "we like character models to look good", you get your face eaten by a angry feminist :p

Then you get threads like:
"Why Do So Many Modern Female Video Game Characters Look Androgynous Or Downright Manly (ugly)?" 

pic of the idea behinde it:

https://x.com/GameCharacterAI/status/1764168814155972964

Can you link x posts? testing.
Anyways just a random dude useing AI to touch up, what he considers poorly looking character models, for ones he thinks looks more suited for a male audience.

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 30 August 2025

Torillian said:
bdbdbd said:

I know they do. Why would you do the chores if the other is going to do them anyway after you? Secondly, all the stuff men do is rately counted as house work and when it is, then there's women doing meta work, meaning that they think chores more than men instead of doing it.

Why women typically do this, is because of how women view relationships and mutual homes.

Just vibes dude.....nothing to back it up. 

Actually I had by pointing out that men don't have any problems with the chores after they're divorced. Also, if you follow what men say that what they do is never good enough for women and women say men don't do good enough job. And here's the catch: you do the chores in the household when a woman wants to, not tomorrow when there's time for it, but they have to be done today, because she thinks there's too much dishes, too dirty, sheets need to be changed and so on. There are two people in a relationship and if you want both to participate, you need to find the time from both of your schedule. If you want both to clean next sunday, you agree on it a week earlier, not argue about it a day before. 



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JRPGfan said:
EricHiggin said:
bdbdbd said:

I know they do. Why would you do the chores if the other is going to do them anyway after you? Secondly, all the stuff men do is rately counted as house work and when it is, then there's women doing meta work, meaning that they think chores more than men instead of doing it.

Why women typically do this, is because of how women view relationships and mutual homes.

It's almost like the boys aren't happy with the job the girls are doing...

I wonder if the girls ever disapprove of the job the boys are doing?

All the time? (even if they arn't into gaming, they will wreck the industry for the fun of it)

How often do you hear girls online complain about "icks" and things guys shouldn't do, or should do. What hobbies guys are allowed to have ect.
You ever see the thread on Resetera called "Why women criticise sexualised character designs?".


Or how DEI isn't big enough in the video game space? Consultant groups like sweet baby inc ?
How they bully the industry into change? with threats and such? while making a quick buck off of the studios, that already have a hard time making money. Hell even recently there was the Paypal stuff with Steam..... where banks because of women groups, were causing Valve (steam) issues (they were selling NSFW games).

If guys go "we like character models to look good", you get your face eaten by a angry feminist :p

Then you get threads like:
"Why Do So Many Modern Female Video Game Characters Look Androgynous Or Downright Manly (ugly)?" 

pic of the idea behinde it:

https://x.com/GameCharacterAI/status/1764168814155972964

Can you link x posts? testing.
Anyways just a random dude useing AI to touch up, what he considers poorly looking character models, for ones he thinks looks more suited for a male audience.

I believe playing videogames was the biggest turn off, or ick, for women in a man.

I think there's this problem that, relating to what Disney is now facing too, that there's a vocal minority, who aren't your customers, demanding everything to cater to them. The executives listen to them and end up not catering their core audience. I think someone pointed out that young men haven't been Disney's core audience pretty much ever and now that they bought Star Wars and Marvel, it's pretty obvious that the same execs who know how to cater to young women and kids are making the decisions to to keep catering to young women kids. 



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bdbdbd said:

I believe playing videogames was the biggest turn off, or ick, for women in a man.

I think there's this problem that, relating to what Disney is now facing too, that there's a vocal minority, who aren't your customers, demanding everything to cater to them. The executives listen to them and end up not catering their core audience. I think someone pointed out that young men haven't been Disney's core audience pretty much ever and now that they bought Star Wars and Marvel, it's pretty obvious that the same execs who know how to cater to young women and kids are making the decisions to to keep catering to young women kids. 

^ this.

And people wont be honest about it, or accept it.
Guys apparently cant have anything (or are allowed to) by women.
Everything needs to be made over to suit them, the end.

There's even people here that cant accept keeping Star wars and Marvel comics as they were, mainly targeting for men, as acceptable. 
It all boils down to the same thing, men apparently arn't allowed their own thing.

Anyways good luck to Disney, hopefully another decade from now, they havn't killed off Marvel comics entirely.
And Star Wars is still a thing, being made. Hopefully both are still semi decent or have improved as well.



bdbdbd said:
Torillian said:

Just vibes dude.....nothing to back it up. 

Actually I had by pointing out that men don't have any problems with the chores after they're divorced. Also, if you follow what men say that what they do is never good enough for women and women say men don't do good enough job. And here's the catch: you do the chores in the household when a woman wants to, not tomorrow when there's time for it, but they have to be done today, because she thinks there's too much dishes, too dirty, sheets need to be changed and so on. There are two people in a relationship and if you want both to participate, you need to find the time from both of your schedule. If you want both to clean next sunday, you agree on it a week earlier, not argue about it a day before. 

If you click thought that thing I sent you with surveys instead of vibes you'll see that even dudes polled agree that women do the bulk of the housework. They have different views, but not enough to change the general conclusion. 

I can't argue against your past relationship issues and anecdotes. I'm married and do about half of the chores (child and house) because I think that's what being an adult means when you both work. So there, you have one experience and I have another. Now maybe we can talk about stuff with evidence to back it up. 



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DarthMetalliCube said:

I will never in a million years understand why so many companies continue to seemingly utterly despise the very franchises they're working on as well as a large portion of the fan base, then scratch their heads when said fanbase inevitably leaves them. Nintendo does the same thing these days (just in different ways).

They don't. 

Companies are never making the choice to lose money, because they hate their fans.  

Sometimes they're wildly clueless about what their consumer base actually wants. Look at Sony trying to make a dozen live service games. They're not doing that because they hate their fans, they're doing that because they're trying to expand their base and they're not sure what that looks like.  

Supposedly Pepsi, when they were recreating their logo, they went through some absolutely insane ideas:

I would not be surprised if company execs are often more clueless than the average person, because they're often not the ones consuming these things. A lot of the PlayStation execs probably don't play very many video games. 

Sometimes they think that they'll appeal to more people if they push towards a different demographic. Target didn't set out to lose money because they hated their consumer base. They thought they'd appeal to more average Americans, and that their consumer base generally wouldn't care - at least to the extent they expected to gain more than they lost.  

Sometimes it's just really hard to make something new. If a product is declining, there's generally a push to make a new product or do new marketing, and that can be difficult to make a success.  

Sometimes their behavior is because they think it'll gain them more long term. Disney used to go out of their way to stop printing movies so that they stay valuable. 



I don't mind companies catering to specific demographics, but don't cry when the core audience moves on. Meaning my only annoyance is when people whine when I don't spend my hard earned dollars on something that doesn't interest me.



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bdbdbd said:

But the female characters are the female fantasy. Problem with Leia and Padme is that they're side characters. Rey on the other hand is Elsa in Star Wars universe. People like Leia and Padme because they're believable.

Whether you like damsell in distress or not, female fantasy is that someone who they love will save them just like male fantasy is to be the hero.

bdbdbd said:

Actually I had by pointing out that men don't have any problems with the chores after they're divorced. Also, if you follow what men say that what they do is never good enough for women and women say men don't do good enough job. And here's the catch: you do the chores in the household when a woman wants to, not tomorrow when there's time for it, but they have to be done today, because she thinks there's too much dishes, too dirty, sheets need to be changed and so on. There are two people in a relationship and if you want both to participate, you need to find the time from both of your schedule. If you want both to clean next sunday, you agree on it a week earlier, not argue about it a day before. 

JRPGfan said:

Again, because of gender rolls.

The law should be equal, but lets not kid ourselves, women get away with alot of sh*t men can't.

What makes these things ironic, is that a lot of these things are cultural issues that you guys are feeding into.  

People having your same mindset, are causing the same issues that you're complaining about.  

You are arguing men and women are fundamentally different - have different skills and interests, while complaining that society tends to assume that mothers will be better parents (because women are fundamentally more interested in raising kids.)