[Variety] Disney's Boy Trouble: Corp seeking ways to win back young men

[EricHiggin]

Torillian said:

EricHiggin said:

What if the men aren't fighting for it because that would be stupid and wrong from their perspective? What if they personally find woman to be better parents than men overall, so therefore fighting for the kids and winning, would be a worse outcome? What if they are sacrificing their wants for the good of society?

What if it's not due to superiority, but due to difficulty, ego, wages, peer pressure, societal pressure, family expectations, etc. There's a lot of reasons why people choose the roles they do. Not that many people truly do what they love, and it's sure not because society makes it impossible these days.

I would prefer society decide what they find more important, and indirectly push to have the best take those roles. The less important roles don't matter as much so focus much less on them and let whoever loosely qualifies take those roles.

I don't care if you love to do surgery, if I need it, and you're not very good at it, then I could care less that you love to do it. I'd much rather have someone who's known to be top notch, who's parents pushed them to do it, yet they don't really love their job. Same goes for say, anything aviation related. Your people love their jobs but your airline is always having minor or major problems? I'll pass, and choose the airline full of grumpy a**holes who don't enjoy the work itself, yet never seem to have any problems. In terms of less importance, if the fast food restaurant I'm at kinda sucks, then I'll just live with it, even if everyone there loves their job, because it's just fast food.

The last point of the last post was just saying there's no definitive right or wrong in this case. Everyone will see things differently and will prefer a different outcome.

What if taking care of kids after you both get home from work is hard and they're just lazy pieces of shit so they fall on societal norms that say women should do it?

Society decides what roles it values based on what it's willing to pay for it. This kind of goes against your idea that the roles are equal, though, because taking care of the home is not given any value under that system. 

That's another of the many possibilities in certain households these days, but in those same households, when there's a bump in the night and the wife tells the husband to go deal with it, is that because she's a lazy POS? Maybe because he's more likely to better deal with the confrontation if there is one? Maybe because it's better if he dies trying to protect the family vs her if it comes to that?

Money isn't the only thing people value. Not in a worthy society that will last anyway. They also say the best things in life are free.