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killer7 said:
Wman1996 said:

That's a hot debate on this site and some others.

I saw someone say on this site before that comparing Switch to Xbox and PlayStation is like comparing motorcycles to cars. 

And I think PS5 will sell extremely well. PS6 is 3-4 years out which is a ton of time for PS5 to sell more before it's replaced.

If Xbox 5 beats PS6 to the market by a year or two (very likely) it will eat at some of PS5's NA sales figures but not much in Europe and a nonfactor pretty much in the rest of the world. The only region where Xbox has consistently done well is NA (mainly the USA). Xbox is a more or less a non-factor in Japan, especially during the Xbox and Xbox One days. 

All 3 are gaming systems and can be compared and they will be compared. All 3 play physical games or have at least 1 SKU that does. This whole nonsense started when Sony was not Nr. 1 anymore (Wii). Look for example at sports. 2004 Greece won 1:0 against Portugal and they became european champions. They where clearly the underdogs and most people cheered for Portugal and Italy. Did anybody came and said: You cannot compare Greece to te Rest because they play for a different audience or it was just luck?! Greece won, full Stop. Portugal had Luis Figo, Christiano Ronaldo, Pepe... Greece had a bunch of no name players. When a  relativley unknown polish soccer player from germany (Miroslav Klose 16) surpassed Ronaldo (15) in World Championship goals, nobody claimed that you cannot compare both just because the former is more famous. All 3 systems compete directly with each other. Who sells more wins, who sells less looses. It was always like that and it will always be. Only because people cannot accept their favourite system loosing, does not make the winning one a "non competitior". Thats what people need to learn.

Nintendo does not compete with either Sony or Microsoft.

You can in fact say the Wii beat the PS3 and 360 and the Switch beat the PS4 and XBO based on system sales, you can compare them like that, yes.

Now, the important part, they still never competed, the Wii or Switch success did not affect the other system sales, both still sold 170M+ units combined, those two on the other hand compete directly, and one being up means the other being down, like the Football example you gave, for one to win the other has to lose, that's not the case at all with Nintendo.

Nintendo platforms do not receive the modern new game releases, the vast majority of people will not consider either the Switch or another platform, they either want to have both or they only get Nintendo and indie/older games, basically excluding themselves from most new game releases. They can still only care for Nintendo games, usually happens to younger people or people getting systems as gifts, and they proceed to get another system (be either PC, Playstation or Xbox) later on if they plan to get access to most modern games.

Sony and Microsoft were directly competing for where do people want to play the new releases from the industry aside from a PC (PC does not canibalize console sales, at least not yet), they are into the Greece vs Portugal situation, actually even past that as Microsoft accepted they can not compete directly with Sony and are moving to a subscription based model and even porting their own exclusive games to Playstation. Maybe none will be truly into competition next gen.



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BraLoD said:
killer7 said:

All 3 are gaming systems and can be compared and they will be compared. All 3 play physical games or have at least 1 SKU that does. This whole nonsense started when Sony was not Nr. 1 anymore (Wii). Look for example at sports. 2004 Greece won 1:0 against Portugal and they became european champions. They where clearly the underdogs and most people cheered for Portugal and Italy. Did anybody came and said: You cannot compare Greece to te Rest because they play for a different audience or it was just luck?! Greece won, full Stop. Portugal had Luis Figo, Christiano Ronaldo, Pepe... Greece had a bunch of no name players. When a  relativley unknown polish soccer player from germany (Miroslav Klose 16) surpassed Ronaldo (15) in World Championship goals, nobody claimed that you cannot compare both just because the former is more famous. All 3 systems compete directly with each other. Who sells more wins, who sells less looses. It was always like that and it will always be. Only because people cannot accept their favourite system loosing, does not make the winning one a "non competitior". Thats what people need to learn.

Nintendo does not compete with either Sony or Microsoft.

You can in fact say the Wii beat the PS3 and 360 and the Switch beat the PS4 and XBO based on system sales, you can compare them like that, yes.

Now, the important part, they still never competed, the Wii or Switch success did not affect the other system sales, both still sold 170M+ units combined, those two on the other hand compete directly, and one being up means the other being down, like the Football example you gave, for one to win the other has to lose, that's not the case at all with Nintendo.

Nintendo platforms do not receive the modern new game releases, the vast majority of people will not consider either the Switch or another platform, they either want to have both or they only get Nintendo and indie/older games, basically excluding themselves from most new game releases. They can still only care for Nintendo games, usually happens to younger people or people getting systems as gifts, and they proceed to get another system (be either PC, Playstation or Xbox) later on if they plan to get access to most modern games.

Sony and Microsoft were directly competing for where do people want to play the new releases from the industry aside from a PC (PC does not canibalize console sales, at least not yet), they are into the Greece vs Portugal situation, actually even past that as Microsoft accepted they can not compete directly with Sony and are moving to a subscription based model and even porting their own exclusive games to Playstation. Maybe none will be truly into competition next gen.

BraLoD said:
killer7 said:

All 3 are gaming systems and can be compared and they will be compared. All 3 play physical games or have at least 1 SKU that does. This whole nonsense started when Sony was not Nr. 1 anymore (Wii). Look for example at sports. 2004 Greece won 1:0 against Portugal and they became european champions. They where clearly the underdogs and most people cheered for Portugal and Italy. Did anybody came and said: You cannot compare Greece to te Rest because they play for a different audience or it was just luck?! Greece won, full Stop. Portugal had Luis Figo, Christiano Ronaldo, Pepe... Greece had a bunch of no name players. When a  relativley unknown polish soccer player from germany (Miroslav Klose 16) surpassed Ronaldo (15) in World Championship goals, nobody claimed that you cannot compare both just because the former is more famous. All 3 systems compete directly with each other. Who sells more wins, who sells less looses. It was always like that and it will always be. Only because people cannot accept their favourite system loosing, does not make the winning one a "non competitior". Thats what people need to learn.

Nintendo does not compete with either Sony or Microsoft.

You can in fact say the Wii beat the PS3 and 360 and the Switch beat the PS4 and XBO based on system sales, you can compare them like that, yes.

Now, the important part, they still never competed, the Wii or Switch success did not affect the other system sales, both still sold 170M+ units combined, those two on the other hand compete directly, and one being up means the other being down, like the Football example you gave, for one to win the other has to lose, that's not the case at all with Nintendo.

Nintendo platforms do not receive the modern new game releases, the vast majority of people will not consider either the Switch or another platform, they either want to have both or they only get Nintendo and indie/older games, basically excluding themselves from most new game releases. They can still only care for Nintendo games, usually happens to younger people or people getting systems as gifts, and they proceed to get another system (be either PC, Playstation or Xbox) later on if they plan to get access to most modern games.

Sony and Microsoft were directly competing for where do people want to play the new releases from the industry aside from a PC (PC does not canibalize console sales, at least not yet), they are into the Greece vs Portugal situation, actually even past that as Microsoft accepted they can not compete directly with Sony and are moving to a subscription based model and even porting their own exclusive games to Playstation. Maybe none will be truly into competition next gen.

Nobody said that the Game Boy was no competition to the Game Gear. Nobody said the Mega Drive and the SNES where not in direct competition. When the DS trounced the PSP or the 3DS outsold the Vita, nobody said "different audience". Its not about the games. Its about the audience. The audience are gamers who care for physical games. This is why i can understand why we do not take into account PC and Mobile. I wrote a thesis over games. And the correcting staff had no problem when i mentioned that the Wii and the Xbox 360/ PS3 where in direct competition. To me this seems to be downplaying the winner because the looser(s) cannot accept defeat.



Farsala said:
XtremeBG said:

A little off topic but ..

We Finally Know How Many PS3s Were Ever Made

The total number seems to be 88,159,116 .. Now someone can make those PS2 calculations right there

Probably not true. PS3 shipments ended in May 2017 for Japan.

Other countries were March 2016, and October 2016.

June 2016 is not consistent with any source and isn't even a 10 year life cycle.

Sony's source themselves says

https://sonyinteractive.com/en/our-company/business-data-sales/

"More than 87.4 million
(As of March 31, 2017)"

So definitely not June 2016.

Of course its not true! Its again a fanboy's wet dream in form of another fake picture or a lying looser like Ryan, Laydon (82,51 PSP LOL) who cannot accept facts. Sony's official known sales:

PS1: 102,49 million 2004- 2006

PS2: more than 155 million 2000-2012 (155,1 million march 2012 is the shipped number)

PS3: 87,40 million (march 31, 2017, discontinued in may 30, 2017- no way it did over a million in 2 months!!)

PS4: 117,2 million (- 31.03.2022)

PS5: 65,50 million (-30.09.2024)

PSP 76,4 million (- 31.03.2012- discontinued i  late 2014- no way it surpassed the GBA without Sony bragging about it back then)

PSV- unknown

Whats next? PS4 119.893.123? PSV 21.76 mio?🤣😂

This "in memory of" is fake nothing more.



killer7 said:

(snip)

That comes from Jaymin Kessler's Twitter, a programmer at SIE Japan and a former Naughty Dog developer. Why would he make it up?

Of course, he might have been joking but never said as much.



 

 

 

 

 

haxxiy said:

killer7 said:

(snip)

That comes from Jaymin Kessler's Twitter, a programmer at SIE Japan and a former Naughty Dog developer. Why would he make it up?

Of course, he might have been joking but never said as much.

A number that has never been officially announced is not official. And a random programmer at SIE cannot be taken seriously. Sony's official shipments for the PS3 where 87,4 million as of march 31, 2017. Discontinued may 30, 2017. 1 million in 2 months? Its the same fairytale as the allegedly 160 million PS2's from Ryan (wich is made up for "160 million+" just to fake up the number even higher).



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killer7 said:

A number that has never been officially announced is not official. And a random programmer at SIE cannot be taken seriously. Sony's official shipments for the PS3 where 87,4 million as of march 31, 2017. Discontinued may 30, 2017. 1 million in 2 months? Its the same fairytale as the allegedly 160 million PS2's from Ryan (wich is made up for "160 million+" just to fake up the number even higher).

Keep in mind that number itself was an estimate ('more than 87.4 million') and shipped =/= produced units. There are demo units, warranty replacements, etc.



 

 

 

 

 

killer7 said:
haxxiy said:

That comes from Jaymin Kessler's Twitter, a programmer at SIE Japan and a former Naughty Dog developer. Why would he make it up?

Of course, he might have been joking but never said as much.

 1 million in 2 months? Its the same fairytale ..

That is absolutely posible and logical. When a mass manufacturer ends a production line, he makes a "final order" to fulfill futiure eol demand (that would also include replacement units for warrantly clauses, etc).



haxxiy said:
killer7 said:

A number that has never been officially announced is not official. And a random programmer at SIE cannot be taken seriously. Sony's official shipments for the PS3 where 87,4 million as of march 31, 2017. Discontinued may 30, 2017. 1 million in 2 months? Its the same fairytale as the allegedly 160 million PS2's from Ryan (wich is made up for "160 million+" just to fake up the number even higher).

Keep in mind that number itself was an estimate ('more than 87.4 million') and shipped =/= produced units. There are demo units, warranty replacements, etc.

But you cannot count demo units shipped or even sold because they get sent back to the company. I worked in a gamesstore and i can confirm this. The original Xbox demostation was sent back in july 2007 at our store. If i include this number everywhere i can tell you there would be far more GBA's than 81,51 million, far more DS than 154,02 million (ok not the 160 wishfull dream of Ryan but quite a bit more). Warranty replacements are systems that REPLACE others. These are not counted. IF MS would count them (and finally give us an official number- it was 84 million as of june 2014), the number would be close to 90 million if not more. And we all know that the RRod rate was far higher on the Xbox 360 than the YLOD on the PS3. See what i mean?



killer7 said:

But you cannot count demo units shipped or even sold because they get sent back to the company. I worked in a gamesstore and i can confirm this. The original Xbox demostation was sent back in july 2007 at our store. If i include this number everywhere i can tell you there would be far more GBA's than 81,51 million, far more DS than 154,02 million (ok not the 160 wishfull dream of Ryan but quite a bit more). Warranty replacements are systems that REPLACE others. These are not counted. IF MS would count them (and finally give us an official number- it was 84 million as of june 2014), the number would be close to 90 million if not more. And we all know that the RRod rate was far higher on the Xbox 360 than the YLOD on the PS3. See what i mean?

First it's not over 1 million or 1 million, it's 700k units.

Second it's not 700k in 2 months, because Sony already stated "over 87.4M" So "over" may mean a lot of things.

I also worked in a videogame store, and you also should know, just like me, that PS3 had stock until 2018 (at least in my store - Europe market), which fully suits with Sony making 700k more to sell in the remaining of 2017, and even the holidays.

For the PSP, of course it's possible it sold 6M more in span of almost 3 years. Sony didn't wanted to confirm numbers back then individually because of the poor Vita performance. They choosed hiding Vita's failure sales over confirming beating GBA numbers.

PS2'one I agree it's fake image, it's stinks from miles away. Jim Ryan word was also not specific, probably rounded, anywhere between 158 and 162M can be said as just 160M.

PS4 I doubt they will go out with number 2M more, it can be something like 117.5M at most. Vita for sure won't get anything, as it is the biggest failure of their consoles.

Last edited by XtremeBG - on 11 November 2024

XtremeBG said:
killer7 said:

But you cannot count demo units shipped or even sold because they get sent back to the company. I worked in a gamesstore and i can confirm this. The original Xbox demostation was sent back in july 2007 at our store. If i include this number everywhere i can tell you there would be far more GBA's than 81,51 million, far more DS than 154,02 million (ok not the 160 wishfull dream of Ryan but quite a bit more). Warranty replacements are systems that REPLACE others. These are not counted. IF MS would count them (and finally give us an official number- it was 84 million as of june 2014), the number would be close to 90 million if not more. And we all know that the RRod rate was far higher on the Xbox 360 than the YLOD on the PS3. See what i mean?

First it's not over 1 million or 1 million, it's 700k units.

Second it's not 700k in 2 months, because Sony already stated "over 87.4M" So "over" may mean a lot of things.

I also worked in a videogame store, and you also should know, just like me, that PS3 had stock until 2018 (at least in my store - Europe market), which fully suits with Sony making 700k more to sell in the remaining of 2017, and even the holidays.

For the PSP, of course it's possible it sold 6M more in span of almost 3 years. Sony didn't wanted to confirm numbers back then individually because of the poor Vita performance. They choosed hiding Vita's failure sales over confirming beating GBA numbers.

PS2'one I agree it's fake image, it's stinks from miles away. Jim Ryan word was also not specific, probably rounded, anywhere between 158 and 162M can be said as just 160M.

PS4 I doubt they will go out with number 2M more, it can be something like 117.5M at most. Vita for sure won't get anything, as it is the biggest failure of their consoles.

About PS2: it was rounded up of course. I mean, if Sony themselfes say "more than 155 million" its hard to believe 160 million or even more. For me official sales from a company count and not some "in memory of" number. 16,5 million PS2 and PS3 where shipped from April 2012- March 31. (PS2 was axed january 13, 2013). We would need the PS3 number for march 31, 2012 and march 31, 2013 for us to figure it out. I mean what if Nintendo released a Game Boy Advance (Micro was the last one) i suppose "In Memory of 83.358.295 produced units"? It would be demo stations, replacements, promotion machines for E3, TGS... But this cannot be counted as a "shipped" unit because like we both know as "colleges", these demo stations get send back to the companies. No way they repack and reship/ resell them, as they are programmed completly differently. They are not for sale/ costumer use. So 81,51 million is the official number no more no less. We do not have official PSP shipments- and like the PS2 we'll probably never know- but its save to say it cracked the 80 million number (although it was never really confirmed officially), but never did it pass the GBA. IF it did Sony sure as hell would not have kept silent about one of the most historic achievements in gaming history: Passing the sales of a NINTENDO HANDHELD (the Game Boy Advance). The Guinness Bock of Records, newspapers, media... everything would be full of it.