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Game of All Time

Pong 4 3.92%
 
Space Invaders 2 1.96%
 
The Legend of Zelda 6 5.88%
 
Super Mario Bros. 3 4 3.92%
 
Final Fantasy VII 17 16.67%
 
Ocarina of Time 19 18.63%
 
Resident Evil 4 13 12.75%
 
Super Mario Galaxy 8 7.84%
 
The Last of Us 6 5.88%
 
Breath of the Wild 23 22.55%
 
Total:102

I know how the list works but it's feels kinda sad to me. Yes they are superb games but the best? FF7 is my favourite FF game but it's not the best. Wind Waker to me is better than all the other Zeldas. :P

Might have to not vote and just see how it goes.

Last edited by The Fury - on 02 January 2024

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Official voting is now over.  The Game of All Time is The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild and the runner up is The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time.

Final Fantasy VII got extremely close but it just couldn't beat the two Zeldas.  It's amazing to me that it did so well coming from a runner up position in its decade.  This basically tells me that Final Fantasy VII is one of the best and most beloved games of all time, but it was released around the same time as another game that is even more beloved.  Resident Evil IV also got a lot of votes.  This game wasn't really even on my radar until I saw it take Game of the Decade.  Obviously it has a lot of love.



The Fury said:

I know how the list works but it's feels kinda sad to me. Yes they are superb games but the best? FF7 is my favourite FF game but it's not the best. Wind Waker to me is better than all the other Zeldas. :P

Might have to note vote and just see how it goes.

All of these threads I've done are essentially popularity contests.  I don't think there is anything wrong with popularity contests, but you have to accept them for what they are.  I understand that many people are not going to see their favorite game of all time in this list.  I feel lucky that my favorite game of all time was on this list, but it didn't get many votes.  

Out of these ten games, which do you think is the best?

UnderwaterFunktown said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

Thanks.   And that goes for everyone else who has shown appreciation.  I appreciate the kind words.


I also think Zelda 1 is the best game on the list, although the list is full of great games.  Others have stated their rankings, so this is my personal ranking for them:

1. The Legend of Zelda
2. Final Fantasy VII
3. Super Mario Bros 3
4. Breath of the Wild
5. Space Invaders
6. Super Mario Galaxy
7. The Last of Us
8. Pong
9. Ocarina of Time (haven't played)
9. Resident Evil 4 (haven't played)

Kind of shocking you haven't played OoT tbh, it's the grandfather of Souls combat and modern 3D action-adventures/RPGs in general, on top of setting the blueprint for an era of excellent Zelda games to follow. I don't think it's nearly perfect, "only" #34 on my list of favorites this year, but definitely one of the most important games ever made (imo the 3DS remake is the best way to experience it these days just for the record).

I don't deny it's important, but everything you just said made it sound really unfun to me.  I don't find most 3D action games to be fun.  It would be easier to tell you the ones that I don't like than the ones I do.  But there are tons of 2D action games that I find fun.  So, when a person says how influential Ocarina is to 3D action games, I can only assume it is one of the main games responsible for ruining everything.  People say the same thing about Mario 64, and I do not like that game at all.

I would like to play Ocarina at some point to see what the fuss is all about, but I'm not terribly motivated to do it.  I'm much more likely to play Resident Evil 4 in the coming year than Ocarina.



The_Liquid_Laser said:

All of these threads I've done are essentially popularity contests.  I don't think there is anything wrong with popularity contests, but you have to accept them for what they are.  I understand that many people are not going to see their favorite game of all time in this list.  I feel lucky that my favorite game of all time was on this list, but it didn't get many votes.  

Out of these ten games, which do you think is the best?

Fully understood, just hard to say "Yes, FF7 is the best game ever made." when in my head it's not. But then also not really sure what is. I flick between things often.

Of those, I'd say FF7 as at least I've completed it. :P



Hmm, pie.

The_Liquid_Laser said:
UnderwaterFunktown said:

Kind of shocking you haven't played OoT tbh, it's the grandfather of Souls combat and modern 3D action-adventures/RPGs in general, on top of setting the blueprint for an era of excellent Zelda games to follow. I don't think it's nearly perfect, "only" #34 on my list of favorites this year, but definitely one of the most important games ever made (imo the 3DS remake is the best way to experience it these days just for the record).

I don't deny it's important, but everything you just said made it sound really unfun to me.  I don't find most 3D action games to be fun.  It would be easier to tell you the ones that I don't like than the ones I do.  But there are tons of 2D action games that I find fun.  So, when a person says how influential Ocarina is to 3D action games, I can only assume it is one of the main games responsible for ruining everything.  People say the same thing about Mario 64, and I do not like that game at all.

I would like to play Ocarina at some point to see what the fuss is all about, but I'm not terribly motivated to do it.  I'm much more likely to play Resident Evil 4 in the coming year than Ocarina.

I mean I know you like Dark Souls and that's an action-RPG, and it's certainly more similair to that than full-on action games, those are a fairly different vein. But fair enough if you prefer 2D games, I'm less into those myself with a few exceptions.

Out of curiosity which version of RE4 are you considering? I haven't played the remake yet myself, but I plan to do so before too long



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SMB3. But BotW comes close! I have a soft spot for FF7 too.



UnderwaterFunktown said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

I don't deny it's important, but everything you just said made it sound really unfun to me.  I don't find most 3D action games to be fun.  It would be easier to tell you the ones that I don't like than the ones I do.  But there are tons of 2D action games that I find fun.  So, when a person says how influential Ocarina is to 3D action games, I can only assume it is one of the main games responsible for ruining everything.  People say the same thing about Mario 64, and I do not like that game at all.

I would like to play Ocarina at some point to see what the fuss is all about, but I'm not terribly motivated to do it.  I'm much more likely to play Resident Evil 4 in the coming year than Ocarina.

I mean I know you like Dark Souls and that's an action-RPG, and it's certainly more similair to that than full-on action games, those are a fairly different vein. But fair enough if you prefer 2D games, I'm less into those myself with a few exceptions.

Out of curiosity which version of RE4 are you considering? I haven't played the remake yet myself, but I plan to do so before too long

I plan to play the Wii version of RE4, based on recommendations I got in an earlier thread.

I know people call Dark Souls an action-RPG, but that is not how I played these games, at least not until Elden Ring.  I completed both Demon's Souls and Dark Souls before I realized that dodge roll was a common strategy.  I usually play a STR based warrior that uses a shield.  I try to approach every situation strategically if I can, because these games feel like an old school tabletop D&D game (like 1st edition era).  Everything is supposed to kill you, so surviving is about using your mind and not having fast reflexes.  I also like building my character the way I like.  For these reasons I don't really care for Bloodborne, because it's trying to be an action game, and I don't play Souls games for the twitchy aspect.  

I prefer to call Dark Souls a real-time RPG instead of an action RPG.  It's clearly not turn based, but it's not really a twitchy game, and it wasn't designed to be that way originally.  I believe the developers realized that a lot of people were playing that way, so they've gradually tried to make the gameplay more twitchy with games like Bloodborne and Sekiro.  Elden Ring finally mapped jump to the X button, and it still has full RPG mechanics like Dark Souls, so that got me to play FromSoftware games in a more twitchy fashion.  Still, it took basically 13 years of iterations before I even started playing this way.  It's not the action aspect that is the draw for me.

If I want to play a twitchy game, then I'll usually play a 2D game or one of the few twitchy 3D games that I like such as Mario Kart.



The_Liquid_Laser said:

I don't deny it's important, but everything you just said made it sound really unfun to me.  I don't find most 3D action games to be fun.  It would be easier to tell you the ones that I don't like than the ones I do.  But there are tons of 2D action games that I find fun.  So, when a person says how influential Ocarina is to 3D action games, I can only assume it is one of the main games responsible for ruining everything.  People say the same thing about Mario 64, and I do not like that game at all.

I would like to play Ocarina at some point to see what the fuss is all about, but I'm not terribly motivated to do it.  I'm much more likely to play Resident Evil 4 in the coming year than Ocarina.

I wouldn’t really call Ocarina of Time an “action” game. I mean sure there’s action, but it’s an adventure game first. I’d say RE4 is more action than OoT.

It’s also not so strange to never have played it, I myself also haven’t played plenty of games that are considered all-time greats, like Final Fantasy VII (or any FF game actually), if we’re sticking the games relevant in this thread. Obviously I’d highly recommend OoT to anyone, but I’m super biased so take that as you will lol.

As a side-note, to reply to some of the other previous posts; I basically always voted for my favourite, because ‘favourite’ to me is synonymous to ‘the best’. A game is a favourite because it’s the one I had most fun with, or kept coming back to the most. And if that happens, it was ‘the best’ of a bunch because how can something I don’t like be better? It’s of course subjective, but I don’t like something for a certain reason. Having fun is all I care about because that’s the only reason I would play a video game. Otherwise there’s no point, and so all other aspects are in reality always trivial to me, meaning the best game is the game I had the most fun with and as such is also my favourite.



The_Liquid_Laser said:
UnderwaterFunktown said:

I mean I know you like Dark Souls and that's an action-RPG, and it's certainly more similair to that than full-on action games, those are a fairly different vein. But fair enough if you prefer 2D games, I'm less into those myself with a few exceptions.

Out of curiosity which version of RE4 are you considering? I haven't played the remake yet myself, but I plan to do so before too long

I plan to play the Wii version of RE4, based on recommendations I got in an earlier thread.

I know people call Dark Souls an action-RPG, but that is not how I played these games, at least not until Elden Ring.  I completed both Demon's Souls and Dark Souls before I realized that dodge roll was a common strategy.  I usually play a STR based warrior that uses a shield.  I try to approach every situation strategically if I can, because these games feel like an old school tabletop D&D game (like 1st edition era).  Everything is supposed to kill you, so surviving is about using your mind and not having fast reflexes.  I also like building my character the way I like.  For these reasons I don't really care for Bloodborne, because it's trying to be an action game, and I don't play Souls games for the twitchy aspect.  

I prefer to call Dark Souls a real-time RPG instead of an action RPG.  It's clearly not turn based, but it's not really a twitchy game, and it wasn't designed to be that way originally.  I believe the developers realized that a lot of people were playing that way, so they've gradually tried to make the gameplay more twitchy with games like Bloodborne and Sekiro.  Elden Ring finally mapped jump to the X button, and it still has full RPG mechanics like Dark Souls, so that got me to play FromSoftware games in a more twitchy fashion.  Still, it took basically 13 years of iterations before I even started playing this way.  It's not the action aspect that is the draw for me.

If I want to play a twitchy game, then I'll usually play a 2D game or one of the few twitchy 3D games that I like such as Mario Kart.

Nice the Wii version is the only one I've ever played. It takes some getting used to since your movement feels fairly limited, but that's somewhat fitting for a survival horror.

Anyways there are definitely many different playstyles in Dark Souls, I also went for a shield strategy in the first, but I still think the action-RPG term fits. "Action" is always a bit of a relative term, Zelda games that are the quintessential action-adventure series aren't really that action focused (or "twitchy") either. And well I wouldn't really say you need to worry about OoT then since it has both shielding and dodging like Souls and generally you can just use whatever you prefer. Like Peelman said it's also more adventure than action, puzzle solving and the like is also a large part of it.



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The_Liquid_Laser said:

Official voting is now over.  The Game of All Time is The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild and the runner up is The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time.

Final Fantasy VII got extremely close but it just couldn't beat the two Zeldas.  It's amazing to me that it did so well coming from a runner up position in its decade.  This basically tells me that Final Fantasy VII is one of the best and most beloved games of all time, but it was released around the same time as another game that is even more beloved.  Resident Evil IV also got a lot of votes.  This game wasn't really even on my radar until I saw it take Game of the Decade.  Obviously it has a lot of love.

Well if you split it out between Nintendo and non Nintendo games ;)

BotW got 37% of the Nintendo votes (59 votes 61% Nintendo votes over 5 games BotW, OoT, SMG, TLZ, SMB3)
FF7 got 46% of the remaining votes (37 votes 39% non Nintendo votes over 5 games FF7, RE4, TloU, Pong, Space Invaders)

Putting RE4 with the Nintendo games or splitting it over the fictional categories, only strengthens the FF7 vote.
FF7 best game of all time :p

Now put the 5 most popular FF games in the poll next to the 5 most popular Zeldas and it would look very different of course.

Anyway FF7 isn't my most popular FF game (FF12), BotW isn't my most popular Zelda game (Windwaker), RE4 isn't my most popular RE game (RE8 VR)

Talking about RE4, was this the intended way? :)

I did the same with the chainsaw sisters, stabbing both at the same time, they never got out of their starting positions lol.