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Idk guys, to me is just hilarious how people have praised Steam for almost 2 decades and now suddenly they care about "owning stuff". I guess they don't care about owning stuff if the rent is for cents.

It just shows how PlayStation wasn't as expendable as they thought it was every time they celebrated one of their games "failing".



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GymratAmarillo said:
EricHiggin said:
Otter said:

This is a conspiracy though. The industry didn't kill DVDs/Blueray/CDs...  Consumers did. No one buys music any more because the abundance of streaming is easier and more flexible. When iTunes dropped people stopped buying CDs. When Spotify dropped people stopped buying digital music and instead streamed it.

A lot of these things are singularities because human behaviour typically leans in the direction of convenience & abundance.

I think People really ought to focus attention on digital rights management/regulation etc instead of hoping they die or shouting into a cloud.

I do think there is hope in that physical things become novel again (see Vinyl) etc 

1:14 - 1:20

Mentions Western values being tested to the breaking point and making sure democratic checks and balances are not forgotten.

There's still about a quarter to a fifth of the software market being purchased physically. That's a sizable minority. The correct path here is screw the minority and force them to comply or leave them behind? Screw making as many lives better and happier as possible and instead milk the wealthy for higher profits by offering less value and less freedom?

I could go on and on. It's clear what's happening and it's not all just by coincidence.

Dude if the best way to follow the conversation is "yeah but they are going to take everything you own anyway" then there's no point in having the conversation to begin with lol. 

This is some conspiracy theory bs that you may as well just say "how about a nuclear war starts tomorrow" in which case owning stuff will matter even less lol. 

What about owning nothing makes you think life will be no different than now if not better in the future?

What has you believing that a nuclear war will happen tomorrow or anytime in the near or distant future?



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

GymratAmarillo said:

Idk guys, to me is just hilarious how people have praised Steam for almost 2 decades and now suddenly they care about "owning stuff". I guess they don't care about owning stuff if the rent is for cents.

It just shows how PlayStation wasn't as expendable as they thought it was every time they celebrated one of their games "failing".

Console gamers just like Steams cheap game pricing. That's about it. They hoped the new Steam machine would follow that good guy look Steams held for a long time and be a cheap system that could play cheap games, but that's not how it turned out. Competition is good most of the time.

The majority doesn't want PS to fail as a whole. They want them to fail at the things they don't like so they'll try something new and better or go back to doing what they know works.



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

EricHiggin said:
GymratAmarillo said:

Dude if the best way to follow the conversation is "yeah but they are going to take everything you own anyway" then there's no point in having the conversation to begin with lol. 

This is some conspiracy theory bs that you may as well just say "how about a nuclear war starts tomorrow" in which case owning stuff will matter even less lol. 

What about owning nothing makes you think life will be no different than now if not better in the future?

What has you believing that a nuclear war will happen tomorrow or anytime in the near or distant future?

I don't do conspiracy theories bro sorry. Just let PS die and go to therapy. 



It's pretty well known that human beings don't like change. I've seen hundreds of comments online about how XXXXX person has been with PlayStation since the 90s or 2000s, and they've always purchased physical. Those are mainly the ones who are upset.

So it's mainly a very vocal, albeit older, minority. Whereas the current gaming generation, who may have started gaming late in the PS3 gen or early PS4, is used to digital, and that demographic is only growing. It was bad enough seeing statistics that something around half of the console playerbase are almost exclusively playing live-service games. Leaving a much smaller playerbase for traditional games that also happen to cost substantially more, and longer, to make than they used to.

Talk about changing times.



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GymratAmarillo said:
EricHiggin said:

What about owning nothing makes you think life will be no different than now if not better in the future?

What has you believing that a nuclear war will happen tomorrow or anytime in the near or distant future?

I don't do conspiracy theories bro sorry. Just let PS die and go to therapy. 

Suit yourself. All we can do is try.



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

I wonder how much of this is SNY learning from Concord and Marathon. Making big expensive AAA games for a minority and having it totally backfire and hurt the company considerably.
Perhaps SNY has taken that lesson and applied it to the physical media minority. Just focus on what the majority wants and to hell with the minority from now on.
Hopefully this isn't the situation because SNY would just be jumping from one extreme to another and hasn't truly learned in that case.



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

EricHiggin said:

It's because this goes way beyond gaming, and because it's kind of a big conspiracy theory that the masses clearly see happening.

The WEF and its "You will own nothing and you will be happy" used to be laughed at by many initially because it seemed way too bond villain like. Well it's clearly happening bit by bit and people obviously don't like it because of how bad it could end up.

Rent your gaming, rent your computing, rent your clothing, rent your transport, rent your residence, rent your love(r), etc, etc. That's the future plan, and it's scary as hell because of the absolute dystopia it may create.

I think it's a conspiracy that you think this is something that the WEF is orchestrating. 

A lot of this stuff is happening because of Capitalism, a lot of times because it looks more convenient in the short term. 

It's easier for a lot of people to pay Uber, than it is to buy a car. 

A lot of people have bought into streaming, because it's cheap and easy. But they're losing out on having any control over the medium. 

The AI boom is making it more expensive to own computers.

Corporations are buying housing. It was cheaper to rent a house for like $800, than trying to spend $150k to buy a house. But now it doesn't cost either of those prices, because demand outstrips supply.  



EricHiggin said:

I know plenty of people who today, don't want or like the 'new thing' that exists. They prefer the old vehicles, flip phones, etc. Many new things to them are extra's if anything.

A bunch of my friends kids are buying CD's these days. If I'm ever driving us anywhere they get bummed out because the CD player in my vehicle doesn't work anymore but my aux does work so we always plug in a phone instead for music. If that wasn't an option, I'd just fix or replace my CD player.

My parents and a few of my friends still have our Plasma TV's because the only thing worth replacing them with is OLED and those are way too expensive.

All of my gaming friends still have PS4's. except for 1 who got a used PS5. Some of them are looking to get XBSS just so they can play GTAVI.

If your point is that in say 25 years, when everyone is a renter to a few elites who control the worlds AI and robots, and everyone lives terribly because they're basically all slaves due to lack of ownership, that everyone should just be ok with it because the majority just all went along with it?

Maybe that makes sense to you but to me that's insanity.

What you're describing is also called being in the minority. If you take Plasma's for example, the market much preferred LCDs as a whole, there was no consipiracy to make LCD defeat it. They were just slimmer, sharper, more durable and often cheaper. Some things are genuinely unwanted and forced on consumers in app updates or sudden policy changes but that's really not what we're talking about here with the digital direction of things

If the market showed a strong shift to physical, sony would not be comfortable making this decision they made, but they can see on their forecasts that by the time PS6 arrives, physical sales would be less than 1/10 of most games. Of that 1/10, half probably don't mind digital, so you're left with 0.5 who do... Why not sacrifice that 0.5 and increase revenue? This is not me defending the decision, just explaining that we have to get real about forces that enable it. People's preferences have led here.

You gave the example of CDs and this is something I referenced with novelty coming back into play. As opposed to their being a conspiracy to stop us having physical media the market simply responded in pushing more emphasis on Vinyl collections and variants with new music releases, new cassets being printed for the first time in forever. For a long time production was struggling to keep up with demand with new methods being created to speed up production and new plants being created.

"From January-May this year, Key Production’s vinyl manufactured orders grew by 50%, compared to the same period in 2024. Data shows that the average order quantity of vinyl has increased by 41% per individual order. Key Production provides manufacturing services primarily to the independent sector meaning that this data shows that vinyl consumption growth is not limited to and goes beyond the major label big releases."

The point is the market responds to consumer interests and we won't make progress with the topic if we pretend that the majority of consumers aren't interested in the convenience and abundance that comes from streaming/digital media etc. Now I don't think you're crazy, obviously Nvidia shareholders would much prefer us locked into forever streaming contracts versus one and done purchases but the convergence towards digital is inevitable because it is simply what the people desire. Around it there are valuable discussions to be had, including rights & keeping physical alive even if it is a niche. 



Otter said:
EricHiggin said:

I know plenty of people who today, don't want or like the 'new thing' that exists. They prefer the old vehicles, flip phones, etc. Many new things to them are extra's if anything.

A bunch of my friends kids are buying CD's these days. If I'm ever driving us anywhere they get bummed out because the CD player in my vehicle doesn't work anymore but my aux does work so we always plug in a phone instead for music. If that wasn't an option, I'd just fix or replace my CD player.

My parents and a few of my friends still have our Plasma TV's because the only thing worth replacing them with is OLED and those are way too expensive.

All of my gaming friends still have PS4's. except for 1 who got a used PS5. Some of them are looking to get XBSS just so they can play GTAVI.

If your point is that in say 25 years, when everyone is a renter to a few elites who control the worlds AI and robots, and everyone lives terribly because they're basically all slaves due to lack of ownership, that everyone should just be ok with it because the majority just all went along with it?

Maybe that makes sense to you but to me that's insanity.

What you're describing is also called being in the minority. If you take Plasma's for example, the market much preferred LCDs as a whole, there was no consipiracy to make LCD defeat it. They were just slimmer, sharper, more durable and often cheaper. Some things are genuinely unwanted and forced on consumers in app updates or sudden policy changes but that's really not what we're talking about here with the digital direction of things

If the market showed a strong shift to physical, sony would not be comfortable making this decision they made, but they can see on their forecasts that by the time PS6 arrives, physical sales would be less than 1/10 of most games. Of that 1/10, half probably don't mind digital, so you're left with 0.5 who do... Why not sacrifice that 0.5 and increase revenue? This is not me defending the decision, just explaining that we have to get real about forces that enable it. People's preferences have led here.

You gave the example of CDs and this is something I referenced with novelty coming back into play. As opposed to their being a conspiracy to stop us having physical media the market simply responded in pushing more emphasis on Vinyl collections and variants with new music releases, new cassets being printed for the first time in forever. For a long time production was struggling to keep up with demand with new methods being created to speed up production and new plants being created.

"From January-May this year, Key Production’s vinyl manufactured orders grew by 50%, compared to the same period in 2024. Data shows that the average order quantity of vinyl has increased by 41% per individual order. Key Production provides manufacturing services primarily to the independent sector meaning that this data shows that vinyl consumption growth is not limited to and goes beyond the major label big releases."

The point is the market responds to consumer interests and we won't make progress with the topic if we pretend that the majority of consumers aren't interested in the convenience and abundance that comes from streaming/digital media etc. Now I don't think you're crazy, obviously Nvidia shareholders would much prefer us locked into forever streaming contracts versus one and done purchases but the convergence towards digital is inevitable because it is simply what the people desire. Around it there are valuable discussions to be had, including rights & keeping physical alive even if it is a niche. 

I don't know anybody who prefers their newer LED LCD picture or speakers over my Plasma. My Plasma is 14 years old and still works. It was also quite cheap when I bought it as Plasma costs had been reduced considerably over the years. Like LCD territory cheap.  They stopped making Plasma Tv's around 2015 and they don't make most parts for them anymore either.

I'm not saying people have no power to stop what some groups are pushing. I'm just saying those groups are doing a very good job of getting the herd to go where they want. That doesn't mean some of them don't stray and are very difficult to round up.

The point is like your Nvidia reference. There's a direction groups are all heading and they want everyone to follow, and to the benefit of the few in the group, more and more.

I'm not really disagreeing with your points. I'm disagreeing with the intention behind it all and the supposed understanding everyone has about where this eventually leads.

Last edited by EricHiggin - on 02 July 2026

PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.