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twintail said:
BraLoD said:

7500 replies in the US PS Blog, seems like the last big round number for a good while.
It had more than 50000 on Twitter after a few hours.

Sony doesn't even bother to address it, the cowardly move expected from a company that doesn't care about anything else than paint a bigger $ as a target on customers.

Have any big news outlets reached to Sony to ask about it? Ask about their first party games physical sales ratio, the total amounts in the millions games like God of War and Spider Man have sold physical but now get the middle finger? I have seem articles, but where is the direct confrontation about how the actual number of customers are simply deleted from their spreadsheets? Where is actual, in the face, journalism when there is a need for it?

What response from them would actually satisfy you? I'm curious to know. 

Besides, it's not Playstation's job to respond to what amounts to threats. The factory that produces discs is pivoting away to microlenses. There's nothing Playstation can do about that, except use this opportunity to get ahead of this being part of their PS6 announcement. 

With so many sectors using physical media less (games and movies for example), the production of discs is obviously stalling. I imagine it's not a business that makes sense to remain in if they're going to start losing money running it.

The real one.

Oh yeah, it's the factory that's to blame here, not Sony, there is nothing they can do about it... seriously, just don't.



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Sony has reversed decisions in the past when there is enough backlash. I wonder if they do so now.

But GTA6 is going to the biggest entertainment launch ever and its not even shipping with a disc.



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twintail said:
BraLoD said:

7500 replies in the US PS Blog, seems like the last big round number for a good while.
It had more than 50000 on Twitter after a few hours.

Sony doesn't even bother to address it, the cowardly move expected from a company that doesn't care about anything else than paint a bigger $ as a target on customers.

Have any big news outlets reached to Sony to ask about it? Ask about their first party games physical sales ratio, the total amounts in the millions games like God of War and Spider Man have sold physical but now get the middle finger? I have seem articles, but where is the direct confrontation about how the actual number of customers are simply deleted from their spreadsheets? Where is actual, in the face, journalism when there is a need for it?

What response from them would actually satisfy you? I'm curious to know. 

Besides, it's not Playstation's job to respond to what amounts to threats. The factory that produces discs is pivoting away to microlenses. There's nothing Playstation can do about that, except use this opportunity to get ahead of this being part of their PS6 announcement. 

With so many sectors using physical media less (games and movies for example), the production of discs is obviously stalling. I imagine it's not a business that makes sense to remain in if they're going to start losing money running it.

The factory is Sony's and they're pivoting away because of consumer trends. 

It's not like it's wildly out of their hands. 

They're expecting a 90% decline by 2028.  



Otter said:
EricHiggin said:

I don't know anybody who prefers their newer LED LCD picture or speakers over my Plasma. My Plasma is 14 years old and still works. It was also quite cheap when I bought it as Plasma costs had been reduced considerably over the years. Like LCD territory cheap.  They stopped making Plasma Tv's around 2015 and they don't make most parts for them anymore either.

I'm not saying people have no power to stop what some groups are pushing. I'm just saying those groups are doing a very good job of getting the herd to go where they want. That doesn't mean some of them don't stray and are very difficult to round up.

The point is like your Nvidia reference. There's a direction groups are all heading and they want everyone to follow, and to the benefit of the few in the group, more and more.

I'm not really disagreeing with your points. I'm disagreeing with the intention behind it all and the supposed understanding everyone has about where this eventually leads.

I don't know anyone who thought the 3DS has better graphics than the Vita yet the 3DS outsold it 5 to 1. Plasmas were simply not as popular as LCDs which is why the industry shifted from them. The industry didn't shift from it ahead of the people, there was direct competition and the general public did not majorly care about plasma colour benefits and instead preferred cheaper/lighter screens and that's where the market moved. Especially as TV manufacturing is complex, whole infrastructure has to be built around the individual technologies which means plasma isn't going to live on as niche. We've got oled now which makes that obsolete though ;)

Going back to the core most point - My intention isn't to champion digital or negate the future risk but to understand that even without the "evil plan" to take everything a way from us, people (the masses) would always develop in the direction of a strong digital preference. If we really want to guard against the concerns of the future, that to me is very important and means a significant amount of work needs to actually go into fighting for good digital rights, not just hoping physical never goes away or remain popular. 

Ironically I actually think Sony announcing this prematurely and dropping disks probably a generation too soon is actually going to be the biggest boost to physical media as people react to the very same fear you're suggesting.

My plasma is very efficient, very slim, and very light. Not much different than LCD's back then. More recent LED LCDs are lighter and cheaper however, yet not all that much more efficient.

Plasma's were encroaching on LCD territory so those companies wanted something to combat Plasma. LED LCD was the answer to that. They could offer a step up in screen size for the same price as a cheap Plasma (while making larger profits due to it being cheaper tech to produce). That's the big reason why people went with LED LCD. Slightly slimmer and lighter was a minor bonus. So yes, the industry did push people towards LED TV's, and the people went along with it.

Doesn't change the fact that TV's are for watching and hearing content, and Plasma was much better for that overall. They also couldn't sell Plasma for as much anymore because OLED had started to enter the market, so they dropped Plasma because OLED could be sold for huge profits since it was the new best technology by far, as expensive as it was to make. OLED didn't make Plasma obsolete since it was way too expensive, but companies didn't care because they just wanted higher profits.

OLED and LED LCD made higher profits so they were continued. Plasma had its place and could've continued, but the companies just saw that as a bunch more work for less profit than the other TV's, and they figured they could force everyone into another TV type one way or another. While I and others still have our Plasma's, eventually we're going to have to go with LED or OLED or whatever else new hits the market. Either that or we stop watching content on a TV.

Back to the point as you said - People will go digital mostly because it's more convenient, but that doesn't mean it's the better choice and that they aren't screwing themselves over in the long run. Companies want this because it's cheaper to produce, leading to even higher profits, plus it gives them far more control, which can also be used to further increase profits.

Fighting for digital rights simply prolongs the inevitable. The agenda is set and if it simply takes longer to get to the 'destination' then so be it. They don't really care as long as they can eventually move the herd there.

I do agree this move by SNY will push more gamers to physical, for a while anyway. I have a feeling physical isn't completely going away, just discs. Though this would also just be a delay to the inevitable if the herd keeps following the path the shepherds are guiding them down.



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PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

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Otter said:

Personally I'm open to the reality that discs specifically are over for the next decade especially if Sony has already started shifting their factories purposes. I do think PS5 should end the decade with disc accessibility.

...but I don't think this necessarily means an absolute end to physical media. Objectively speaking we only know that Discs will no longer be manufactured but that doesn't mean there can't be alternatives particular with the PS6 or future revisions of the PS5.

Sony is the last manufacturers of BRD if im not mistaken but something like cartridges/nand have a much bigger industry & players involved.

An intentional part of what has happened is that Sony hasn't at all elaborated on what their actual plan is.

"We’ll continue to prioritize our resources to drive innovation in how players can access games and provide choices as to where players prefer to purchase new games, whether that’s at retailers or PlayStation Store."

Retail wise it can everything from code in a box to (worse & probably most realistic), storage carts (ideal but unrealistic), to game card keys or interesting NFC products. They also haven't elaborate on whether they'll be evolving what digital ownership looks like. There's a lot we need to know.

After seeing and hearing many more thoughts from gamers, I think you're onto something because I'm thinking the same kinda thing. I don't necessarily think physical is dead. I think if they're sticking with physical that they're just moving on from discs.

Much of this is due to the handheld. Can't really make discs work with it, so you need another medium. Game carts in some format would be the most likely answer. This way you could also use them for the PS6 home console(s).

Many are already saying PS6 will be a hard sell, period, for many reasons. Well something new and different would be using game carts instead of discs. Even if the price is a little higher, SNY has a bunch of excuses they can make to justify it. Some of those excuses may actually make sense though.

This isn't to say they aren't just going full digital. They might be, but keeping some form of physical makes more sense if you look at it from the perspective of what's best for the good of the brand, long term.



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

BraLoD said:
twintail said:

What response from them would actually satisfy you? I'm curious to know. 

Besides, it's not Playstation's job to respond to what amounts to threats. The factory that produces discs is pivoting away to microlenses. There's nothing Playstation can do about that, except use this opportunity to get ahead of this being part of their PS6 announcement. 

With so many sectors using physical media less (games and movies for example), the production of discs is obviously stalling. I imagine it's not a business that makes sense to remain in if they're going to start losing money running it.

The real one.

Oh yeah, it's the factory that's to blame here, not Sony, there is nothing they can do about it... seriously, just don't.

Doesn't sound like it matters what they say lol. May as well not say anything.
Anyhow, the factory situation is reality, and nothing makes that less true. It's one of many reasons for what is happening.
the-pi-guy said:

The factory is Sony's and they're pivoting away because of consumer trends. 

It's not like it's wildly out of their hands. 

They're expecting a 90% decline by 2028.  

Sure, but the factory is not PlayStation and not beholden to them, especially as they produce discs for other companies in other media. Sony DADC is making a decision that affects their business and their revenue streams. 

If they were looking into micro lenses back in 2024, they were very likely making the decision early that year if not in 2023. Physical production of discs from all media has surely declined further in the last 2-3 years. 

At some point, it doesn't make sense for them to keep running a disc business. Same for companies that use physical media. Combine consumer trends and lowering revenue from discs from all angles, then it was bound to happen. It's just happened faster than many have expected, but that's really because everyone just assumed PS6 would run discs. 



Looks like Sony just lost its marketing with GTA6. Can confirm it’s 100% changed back. The store (on mobile atleast) no longer shoves it in your face to pre order.  



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VersusEvil said:

Looks like Sony just lost its marketing with GTA6. Can confirm it’s 100% changed back. The store (on mobile atleast) no longer shoves it in your face to pre order.  

Wahahaha when they thought they had a partner in crime as fellow greedy corporation who is charging $100 for an empty case with a digital download code.



VersusEvil said:

Looks like Sony just lost its marketing with GTA6. Can confirm it’s 100% changed back. The store (on mobile atleast) no longer shoves it in your face to pre order.  

More like the burst campaign is finished; nothing more, nothing less. 

And this is just speculation, not a rumour. 

Last edited by twintail - on 04 July 2026