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Machiavellian said:
EricHiggin said:

Wasn't Bill Clinton the great, big trade President? Wasn't Obama a great President with a booming economy and game changing healthcare reforms? Were things not going so great that America was going to crown their first Queen ever, destined for the throne? Wasn't she Bill's wife? Wasn't everyone 'with her'?

How did Trump get elected then, taking the House and the Senate? How did Trump get reelected, House and Senate again, after losing to Biden?

When it comes to getting ahead of yourself, well...

We'll see who this favors come 2028.

Our politicians said everything went great with their meeting and dinner with Trump recently btw. 

How did Trump get elected?? He got elected because people believe he can do something about inflation isn't that right.  Most exit polls said the main issue was the economy.  Since Kamala is part of the current administration, all blame as usual goes towards the President and their administration just like it always has.  So now Trump will have a chance to show that adding Tariffs around is the right ploy and we will see how that goes.  As with China, instead of negotiation before claiming what he will and will not do, he just throws out these statements pretty much forcing other countries to go into protection mode as no country want to look weak against any other country looking to bully them.  Its the same dumb tactic he used with NAFTA and China and its the same dumb tactic he is using against Canada and Mexico.

You act as if getting elected is all Trump has to do but that is just the beginning.  He needs to perform or all the advantages goes away.  So lets not get ahead of ourselves until he actually performs because you still seem to forget he lost his reelection so just getting into the office is only one of many steps, being effective and not nuke his party is something different.

We will see how great some dinner goes compared to what Trump actually does.  If he is going to talk big, not going through makes him look weak.  Its not like Trump isn't above lying during these talks or did you forget those talks Trump had with China that he would reduce the Tariffs if China would start to purchase soy and other products from US farmers.  Then when nothing happened, China told Trump to go F himself.  No one is foolish enough to just listen to Trump without any actual agreement in place as they all know, his word means nothing.

There wasn't out of control inflation in 2016.

Why do you keep comparing Canada to China?

Are you saying Canada's politicians in charge right now are either liars or stupid?

As for Trump forcing other countries to go into protection mode, well, protect Canada, or Canada First, is pretty much what our Federal Conservatives have been campaigning on, and it's certainly working for them. Just 1 more year until the election, if its not called sooner. I wonder who the Republicans and Trump would rather deal with? Alberta and its Provincial Conservative Gov are all about that black gold, and they do not get along well with Trudeau and the Federal Liberal Party.



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EricHiggin said:
Machiavellian said:

How did Trump get elected?? He got elected because people believe he can do something about inflation isn't that right.  Most exit polls said the main issue was the economy.  Since Kamala is part of the current administration, all blame as usual goes towards the President and their administration just like it always has.  So now Trump will have a chance to show that adding Tariffs around is the right ploy and we will see how that goes.  As with China, instead of negotiation before claiming what he will and will not do, he just throws out these statements pretty much forcing other countries to go into protection mode as no country want to look weak against any other country looking to bully them.  Its the same dumb tactic he used with NAFTA and China and its the same dumb tactic he is using against Canada and Mexico.

You act as if getting elected is all Trump has to do but that is just the beginning.  He needs to perform or all the advantages goes away.  So lets not get ahead of ourselves until he actually performs because you still seem to forget he lost his reelection so just getting into the office is only one of many steps, being effective and not nuke his party is something different.

We will see how great some dinner goes compared to what Trump actually does.  If he is going to talk big, not going through makes him look weak.  Its not like Trump isn't above lying during these talks or did you forget those talks Trump had with China that he would reduce the Tariffs if China would start to purchase soy and other products from US farmers.  Then when nothing happened, China told Trump to go F himself.  No one is foolish enough to just listen to Trump without any actual agreement in place as they all know, his word means nothing.

There wasn't out of control inflation in 2016.

Why do you keep comparing Canada to China?

Are you saying Canada's politicians in charge right now are either liars or stupid?

As for Trump forcing other countries to go into protection mode, well, protect Canada, or Canada First, is pretty much what our Federal Conservatives have been campaigning on, and it's certainly working for them. Just 1 more year until the election, if its not called sooner. I wonder who the Republicans and Trump would rather deal with? Alberta and its Provincial Conservative Gov are all about that black gold, and they do not get along well with Trudeau and the Federal Liberal Party.

Evidently you did not understand what I was stating.  Inflation is a global issue, but as we have seen most Americans only see only past their own nose.  Meaning that it really doesn't matter if the issue is global, they will always blame the current administration because they are hurting.  The same will be the results of Trump tariffs.  People only care about if they are hurting and if those tariffs do not relieve that hurt, his administration will suffer.

I am comparing policies that do not work, it really does not matter what country it is being applied to because the response will always be the same.  Do you believe that Canada will just let the US dictate policy against their country because Trump believe he can just throw around tariffs and make Canada submit to his whims.  That was the same stupid mistake he made against China and it really doesn't matter what country he tries that tactic against, it doesn't work.  It would be better if he negotiated first before going on social media trying to appear tough and dictate policy from social media.  It will always put the other country into a situation where now they have to respond differently because Trump is trying to elevate himself instead of working with the countries first.  Most leaders understand this process but we do not have a leader we have a immature child who believes in trying to appear tough gets the job done.

Its not about Trump forcing other countries into protection mode, its Trump believing that he can force US policy through tariffs.  While Tariffs can be a very useful tool, its not a hammer that can be applied to every situation.  What will happen is that every country he tries to use Tariffs to force US policy will just cause those other countries to do so in response.  If he believe he can apply broad tariffs against multiple countries, the impact will be much greater against the US because multiple countries applying the same tariffs against US goods causes multiple US business to be effected.

So if the Canadian government is going Canada first, you tell me why would they submit to Trump if protecting their own businesses and interest is the forfront of that movement. Maybe its just me but it really does not appear you are arguing against what I am saying.  Who cares what the US GOP would want to deal with, its what the Canadian government is willing to bend the knee and kiss Trump butt and also appear to have Canadian interest at heart.  They cannot do both.



https://www.cbsnews.com/detroit/news/michigan-josh-schriver-says-same-sex-marriage-should-be-illegal-again/

I'm so glad we're past the days when people care about gay marriage.



the-pi-guy said:

https://www.cbsnews.com/detroit/news/michigan-josh-schriver-says-same-sex-marriage-should-be-illegal-again/

I'm so glad we're past the days when people care about gay marriage.

It's almost like as soon as they have some traction in stopping trans people from existing without harassment and they made it unsafe to be a woman again, they started going after gays. 

IF they succeed, you just watch...the black community is next

Wait, racism isn't new or special, Trump literally campaigned on a platform of blatant xenophobia the first time (Build the wall)....

IT's so shocking to me that there are people out there who either think this is a good thing or ignore it. IT really is just blatant bigotry, hate, and ignorance from top to bottom appealing to a wider audience because brainthinking is a conspiracy and therefore the enemy or some shit.



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Machiavellian said:
EricHiggin said:

There wasn't out of control inflation in 2016.

Why do you keep comparing Canada to China?

Are you saying Canada's politicians in charge right now are either liars or stupid?

As for Trump forcing other countries to go into protection mode, well, protect Canada, or Canada First, is pretty much what our Federal Conservatives have been campaigning on, and it's certainly working for them. Just 1 more year until the election, if its not called sooner. I wonder who the Republicans and Trump would rather deal with? Alberta and its Provincial Conservative Gov are all about that black gold, and they do not get along well with Trudeau and the Federal Liberal Party.

Evidently you did not understand what I was stating.  Inflation is a global issue, but as we have seen most Americans only see only past their own nose.  Meaning that it really doesn't matter if the issue is global, they will always blame the current administration because they are hurting.  The same will be the results of Trump tariffs.  People only care about if they are hurting and if those tariffs do not relieve that hurt, his administration will suffer.

I am comparing policies that do not work, it really does not matter what country it is being applied to because the response will always be the same.  Do you believe that Canada will just let the US dictate policy against their country because Trump believe he can just throw around tariffs and make Canada submit to his whims.  That was the same stupid mistake he made against China and it really doesn't matter what country he tries that tactic against, it doesn't work.  It would be better if he negotiated first before going on social media trying to appear tough and dictate policy from social media.  It will always put the other country into a situation where now they have to respond differently because Trump is trying to elevate himself instead of working with the countries first.  Most leaders understand this process but we do not have a leader we have a immature child who believes in trying to appear tough gets the job done.

Its not about Trump forcing other countries into protection mode, its Trump believing that he can force US policy through tariffs.  While Tariffs can be a very useful tool, its not a hammer that can be applied to every situation.  What will happen is that every country he tries to use Tariffs to force US policy will just cause those other countries to do so in response.  If he believe he can apply broad tariffs against multiple countries, the impact will be much greater against the US because multiple countries applying the same tariffs against US goods causes multiple US business to be effected.

So if the Canadian government is going Canada first, you tell me why would they submit to Trump if protecting their own businesses and interest is the forfront of that movement. Maybe its just me but it really does not appear you are arguing against what I am saying.  Who cares what the US GOP would want to deal with, its what the Canadian government is willing to bend the knee and kiss Trump butt and also appear to have Canadian interest at heart.  They cannot do both.

Yes I did. It doesn't seem you do though.

You said people don't care about the deeper intentions or future, they just care about the hurt now. Well Canadians have been feeling the hurt for quite some time, and Trumps attempting to make things even more difficult for Canada, while pushing what leads to protectionism. Things are already bad for Trudeau and the Federal Liberals in power, so this will only make things worse for them, helping the Conservatives next election, with their Canada First campaigning.

Now, do countries need (strong) protectionism if they're working together in a manner that suits both and ends up a win win situation overall? That won't happen with American (Maga) Republicans and Canadian Liberals in power. Their mindsets, goals, and agenda's are too different. However, that can potentially be accomplished if the Canadian Conservatives are in power.

So, I wonder why Trump is making moves that help the Canadian Federal Conservative Party? Who would Trump rather deal with?





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Leynos said:

It appears the underlying message is that it's important to blame someone else for one being poor. Let's point the arrow on migrants or the 1% or who ever. The arrow needs to be pointed somewhere as long as it's not the mirror.



Tober said:
Leynos said:

It appears the underlying message is that it's important to blame someone else for one being poor. Let's point the arrow on migrants or the 1% or who ever. The arrow needs to be pointed somewhere as long as it's not the mirror.

But the two possibilities of who to blame are not comparable. One of these is directly deciding how much money somebody gets paid and the other is just vaguely competing maybe for your job possibly. On an individual basis, the concept of pick yourself up by your bootstraps is reasonable to tell somebody else as advice. But when we're talking about larger systems I can't think of any case of it having an effect on the large scale. 



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EricHiggin said:
Machiavellian said:

Evidently you did not understand what I was stating.  Inflation is a global issue, but as we have seen most Americans only see only past their own nose.  Meaning that it really doesn't matter if the issue is global, they will always blame the current administration because they are hurting.  The same will be the results of Trump tariffs.  People only care about if they are hurting and if those tariffs do not relieve that hurt, his administration will suffer.

I am comparing policies that do not work, it really does not matter what country it is being applied to because the response will always be the same.  Do you believe that Canada will just let the US dictate policy against their country because Trump believe he can just throw around tariffs and make Canada submit to his whims.  That was the same stupid mistake he made against China and it really doesn't matter what country he tries that tactic against, it doesn't work.  It would be better if he negotiated first before going on social media trying to appear tough and dictate policy from social media.  It will always put the other country into a situation where now they have to respond differently because Trump is trying to elevate himself instead of working with the countries first.  Most leaders understand this process but we do not have a leader we have a immature child who believes in trying to appear tough gets the job done.

Its not about Trump forcing other countries into protection mode, its Trump believing that he can force US policy through tariffs.  While Tariffs can be a very useful tool, its not a hammer that can be applied to every situation.  What will happen is that every country he tries to use Tariffs to force US policy will just cause those other countries to do so in response.  If he believe he can apply broad tariffs against multiple countries, the impact will be much greater against the US because multiple countries applying the same tariffs against US goods causes multiple US business to be effected.

So if the Canadian government is going Canada first, you tell me why would they submit to Trump if protecting their own businesses and interest is the forfront of that movement. Maybe its just me but it really does not appear you are arguing against what I am saying.  Who cares what the US GOP would want to deal with, its what the Canadian government is willing to bend the knee and kiss Trump butt and also appear to have Canadian interest at heart.  They cannot do both.

Yes I did. It doesn't seem you do though.

You said people don't care about the deeper intentions or future, they just care about the hurt now. Well Canadians have been feeling the hurt for quite some time, and Trumps attempting to make things even more difficult for Canada, while pushing what leads to protectionism. Things are already bad for Trudeau and the Federal Liberals in power, so this will only make things worse for them, helping the Conservatives next election, with their Canada First campaigning.

Now, do countries need (strong) protectionism if they're working together in a manner that suits both and ends up a win win situation overall? That won't happen with American (Maga) Republicans and Canadian Liberals in power. Their mindsets, goals, and agenda's are too different. However, that can potentially be accomplished if the Canadian Conservatives are in power.

So, I wonder why Trump is making moves that help the Canadian Federal Conservative Party? Who would Trump rather deal with?

If people thought about deeper intentions then we would not see a change within 4 years like we do.  We would see people willing to stay the course for as long as they believe in that government or system and we would not see one party changing from one term to another.  

Why would what Trump does hurt the current legislation when that same person is making himself the culprit in the problem. If anything that would unify people against that person as pride will come into play.

As I stated, it would have been much smarter to negotiate first instead of telling the world you are going to force Canada to submit to your demands.  You say Canadians are hurting so having a villain to use as a scapegoat probably would work much better for the current administration.

If anything you seem to think Trump cares about your conservative party or even your government but if that was the case, he would negotiate first with your conservative party but he hasn't.  If anything your Trust that Trump cares is what I find very funny because if history is any indication, Trump only cares about himself and how he looks.  So the only way you get cooperation from Trump is if you bend the knee.  Lets see how that turn out for the conservative party if kissing Trump butt is the way to power.

If Trump was making moves to help the conservative party, we would not see reactions from the conservative party when he announced his tariffs.  What it shows is that he isn't doing anything to work with them, he is doing what he wants and you just believe he is.