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Machiavellian on 04 December 2024
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EricHiggin said:
Machiavellian said:

Evidently you did not understand what I was stating.  Inflation is a global issue, but as we have seen most Americans only see only past their own nose.  Meaning that it really doesn't matter if the issue is global, they will always blame the current administration because they are hurting.  The same will be the results of Trump tariffs.  People only care about if they are hurting and if those tariffs do not relieve that hurt, his administration will suffer.

I am comparing policies that do not work, it really does not matter what country it is being applied to because the response will always be the same.  Do you believe that Canada will just let the US dictate policy against their country because Trump believe he can just throw around tariffs and make Canada submit to his whims.  That was the same stupid mistake he made against China and it really doesn't matter what country he tries that tactic against, it doesn't work.  It would be better if he negotiated first before going on social media trying to appear tough and dictate policy from social media.  It will always put the other country into a situation where now they have to respond differently because Trump is trying to elevate himself instead of working with the countries first.  Most leaders understand this process but we do not have a leader we have a immature child who believes in trying to appear tough gets the job done.

Its not about Trump forcing other countries into protection mode, its Trump believing that he can force US policy through tariffs.  While Tariffs can be a very useful tool, its not a hammer that can be applied to every situation.  What will happen is that every country he tries to use Tariffs to force US policy will just cause those other countries to do so in response.  If he believe he can apply broad tariffs against multiple countries, the impact will be much greater against the US because multiple countries applying the same tariffs against US goods causes multiple US business to be effected.

So if the Canadian government is going Canada first, you tell me why would they submit to Trump if protecting their own businesses and interest is the forfront of that movement. Maybe its just me but it really does not appear you are arguing against what I am saying.  Who cares what the US GOP would want to deal with, its what the Canadian government is willing to bend the knee and kiss Trump butt and also appear to have Canadian interest at heart.  They cannot do both.

Yes I did. It doesn't seem you do though.

You said people don't care about the deeper intentions or future, they just care about the hurt now. Well Canadians have been feeling the hurt for quite some time, and Trumps attempting to make things even more difficult for Canada, while pushing what leads to protectionism. Things are already bad for Trudeau and the Federal Liberals in power, so this will only make things worse for them, helping the Conservatives next election, with their Canada First campaigning.

Now, do countries need (strong) protectionism if they're working together in a manner that suits both and ends up a win win situation overall? That won't happen with American (Maga) Republicans and Canadian Liberals in power. Their mindsets, goals, and agenda's are too different. However, that can potentially be accomplished if the Canadian Conservatives are in power.

So, I wonder why Trump is making moves that help the Canadian Federal Conservative Party? Who would Trump rather deal with?

If people thought about deeper intentions then we would not see a change within 4 years like we do.  We would see people willing to stay the course for as long as they believe in that government or system and we would not see one party changing from one term to another.  

Why would what Trump does hurt the current legislation when that same person is making himself the culprit in the problem. If anything that would unify people against that person as pride will come into play.

As I stated, it would have been much smarter to negotiate first instead of telling the world you are going to force Canada to submit to your demands.  You say Canadians are hurting so having a villain to use as a scapegoat probably would work much better for the current administration.

If anything you seem to think Trump cares about your conservative party or even your government but if that was the case, he would negotiate first with your conservative party but he hasn't.  If anything your Trust that Trump cares is what I find very funny because if history is any indication, Trump only cares about himself and how he looks.  So the only way you get cooperation from Trump is if you bend the knee.  Lets see how that turn out for the conservative party if kissing Trump butt is the way to power.

If Trump was making moves to help the conservative party, we would not see reactions from the conservative party when he announced his tariffs.  What it shows is that he isn't doing anything to work with them, he is doing what he wants and you just believe he is.