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[Machiavellian]

EricHiggin said:

Machiavellian said:

Yeah, I am sure Canadians are just going to be all happy that Trump will enact a trade war with them.  Even the politicians who were very pro Trump in 2016 are singing a very different tune now.  The cool thing is when this all blows up in his face we are going to see exactly how much conservatives will be able to withstand the fall out.  You seem to forget that Trump won in 2016, then help lose the house, then helped lose the Senate and also helped Biden get elected.  So just saying that things will be all peaches and cream is getting ahead of yourself.  Trump needs to perform and if he truly going to go trade war route during this time, well know how that is going to turn out.

Just like Trump did not understand NAFTA nor did he understand trade relationships with China.  Just believing that these other countries do not have other options will end up like those policies did.  Trade relationships are very complex and we saw when faced with complex situations like Healthcare, Trump and his administration isn't the smartest people to handle such issues.

Wasn't Bill Clinton the great, big trade President? Wasn't Obama a great President with a booming economy and game changing healthcare reforms? Were things not going so great that America was going to crown their first Queen ever, destined for the throne? Wasn't she Bill's wife? Wasn't everyone 'with her'?

How did Trump get elected then, taking the House and the Senate? How did Trump get reelected, House and Senate again, after losing to Biden?

When it comes to getting ahead of yourself, well...

We'll see who this favors come 2028.

Our politicians said everything went great with their meeting and dinner with Trump recently btw. 

How did Trump get elected?? He got elected because people believe he can do something about inflation isn't that right.  Most exit polls said the main issue was the economy.  Since Kamala is part of the current administration, all blame as usual goes towards the President and their administration just like it always has.  So now Trump will have a chance to show that adding Tariffs around is the right ploy and we will see how that goes.  As with China, instead of negotiation before claiming what he will and will not do, he just throws out these statements pretty much forcing other countries to go into protection mode as no country want to look weak against any other country looking to bully them.  Its the same dumb tactic he used with NAFTA and China and its the same dumb tactic he is using against Canada and Mexico.

You act as if getting elected is all Trump has to do but that is just the beginning.  He needs to perform or all the advantages goes away.  So lets not get ahead of ourselves until he actually performs because you still seem to forget he lost his reelection so just getting into the office is only one of many steps, being effective and not nuke his party is something different.

We will see how great some dinner goes compared to what Trump actually does.  If he is going to talk big, not going through makes him look weak.  Its not like Trump isn't above lying during these talks or did you forget those talks Trump had with China that he would reduce the Tariffs if China would start to purchase soy and other products from US farmers.  Then when nothing happened, China told Trump to go F himself.  No one is foolish enough to just listen to Trump without any actual agreement in place as they all know, his word means nothing.

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