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Ryuu96 said:
SanAndreasX said:

Yep. St Petersburg was the capital of the Russian Empire. Moscow was the capital of the Soviet Union. They can always move the capital further inland to Yekaterinberg or Novosbirsk.

Or... and hear me out, I know it sounds crazy... Russia's government could stop acting in such a way that its neighbors won't feel the need to protect themselves by joining alliances like NATO. 

@Ryuu96: I guess it's early still, but it's starting to look like Putin seriously fucked up on this one. His troops are already starving and cold, and it's becoming more clear that at least some of them didn't understand what they were getting into. They clearly weren't expecting the Ukrainians to be so tenacious, especially President Zelensky himself. Hungry soldiers tend to not be loyal soldiers. 

A good ending to this war would be Vladimir Putin either swinging from a gallows or blindfolded in front of a firing squad. 

Yeah, it's still too early but it does look like Putin massively fucked up, Russia is loosing way more troops than expected, Ukraine is putting up a much stronger fight than expected, Russian morale is decreasing, they lied to their own troops, the financial costs are likely huge, expectations were that Russia would have Kyiv and air superiority by now, they're making a lot of what appears to be tactically stupid decisions.

But Putin still has an absolutely gigantic army to throw at Ukraine, question is how long can he get away with throwing his troops to their death, I also still fear what he will do if he can't take it by conventional measures, indiscriminately bomb the city? 

One of the worst fears is that Putin may deploy a FOAB (Father of all bombs). For anyone who doesn't know, a FOAB is a bomb with a yield of approximately 44 tons of TNT. The bad thing about this bomb is that it's a very powerful conventional explosive - meaning that it can do great damage without contaminating the environment with radiation, which removes a lot of the deterrent for using such a powerful explosive. The US has an equivalent bomb called a MOAB (Mother of all bombs). 



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Ryuu96 said:

Good!

France intercepts Russia-bound cargo ship ‘Baltic Leader’ in the English channel | The Independent

Ukraine had an outstanding order for dozens of Turkish made drones - the same ones Azerbaijan used to great effect in the 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war. Sure, Russia’s forces aren’t comparable to Armenia but I wonder if Ukraine has been able to use these or if they’ve spoken to Turkey about expediting the order backlog.



I'm surprised Ukraine still has control of their capital. I hope they can make it through another night.



USA was afraid of communism spreading in Asia and threatening the West. They used this as their reason to invade Vietnam, which Vietnamese people (and huge portion of western population) though to be bs & wrong. And now Vietnamese people use this same reason to justify Putin's actions in Ukraine? Nah, I refuse to believe this is what majority of them think.

Thing is, USA and most of other countries have done dark shit in their history. But we need to look at what's happening now. Case in point, Soviet army that attacked Finland in Winter War was, at first, mostly Ukrainians. And today Finland hopes Ukrainians can defend themselves agains Russia. Give them hell!

Yes I know Stalin ordered the attack. But the thing is, Russia has now made clear they haven't changed their ways. If anyone thinks Ukrainians are fighting back because of influence from West and USA they absolutely don't have a fucking clue. They don't know what it's like when Russia casts its dark shadow over your country. And it's even worse for ex-USSR countries. There are Ukrainians whose parents saw Stalin's Great Purge and all that shit.

I don't know why anyone outside Russia believes this NATO excuse. Putin doesn't trust his own citizens to buy it as justification for war, so Kremlin is feeding them propaganda about genocide, Ukrainian neo-nazis etc nonsense. He is simply insane.

Our president Niinistö was asked how He sees Putin now. Mind you, other European leaders have been consulting him past weeks about Putin because he knows him well. He doesn't grovel before Putin like Trump and Lukashenko for example, but they have a long history. 

Niinistö responded 'the mask is stripped and now there's only the cold face of war'.

Then he took a pause and continued 'and war... war never changes'.

Ok ok I made up the last part for purpose of drama :P but what he said tells us plenty about Putin.



barneystinson69 said:

Let me ask if you have skepticism towards Biden; what more is he supposed to do? I can envision the answer, but I'm curious what you have to say. Boots on the ground is out of the question.

Most of us here are pretty tired of being involved in foreign wars after decades of it with nary a thing to show for all that needless loss of life. I sense no appetite for direct military involvement on our part and am not interested in that myself.

However, most Americans were in favor of steps like cutting off oil purchases from Russia even before this invasion, even if it means we have to pay higher prices for gasoline, for example. The fact is that most people here would really like nothing further to do with Moscow, period -- no talks, no trade, no nothing, treat them like North Korea -- and personally I'm with them.



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SanAndreasX said:

I'm also wondering what the thoughts in China are. My concern is that they will try to take advantage of the Ukraine situation by making a play for Taiwan.

China was probably pretty surprised, evident by how long it took them to take a stance in the issue. As China tries to strengthen their economic influence war isn't good for them. On the other hand Russia is an ally in many regards, so they don't want to step on their toes.



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Hiku said:
Mnementh said:

China was probably pretty surprised, evident by how long it took them to take a stance in the issue. As China tries to strengthen their economic influence war isn't good for them. On the other hand Russia is an ally in many regards, so they don't want to step on their toes.

Ukraine invasion: China abstains from voting on UN Security Council resolution condemning Russia | World News | Sky News

The fact that they did not vote with Russia, and said that Russia must respect the sovereignty of Ukraine, is pretty huge, imo.

“sovereignty and territorial integrity of all states should be respected and that the purposes and principles of the UN Charter should be upheld."

“Security of one country cannot come at the cost of undermining the security of other nations [...] Ukraine should become a bridge between East and West,”

Yeah, I think it is pretty telling, that even allies and economic partners of Russia are at least guarded and clearly are not supporting the invasion, although they might not condemn it as well, to not jeopardize their economic relations. But no one came out in support of Russia, except Belarus. I think Putin gambled away a lot of political influence with that invasion.

And that is also true for russian politics. The protests clearly show this war has no support from the population. And I doubt many state officials or oligarchs are happy about what is happening. I wouldn't even surprised at this point, if someone tries a coup to remove Putin from office.



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Ryuu96 said:

Another “I didn’t know” : ukraine (reddit.com)

More videos of Russian Soldiers being captured : ukraine (reddit.com)

More Russians captured in Kharkov : ukraine (reddit.com)

They look so young, Putin is throwing young kids into a war they know nothing about...

If those sources are accurate then if the war drags on then there is the possibility of Russia seeing a relatively high desertion rate amongst its forces.

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Just want to say thank you, Ryuu96, for sharing all these tweets and infos with us. I really appreciate!

Slava Ukraini!



Jaicee said:
barneystinson69 said:

Let me ask if you have skepticism towards Biden; what more is he supposed to do? I can envision the answer, but I'm curious what you have to say. Boots on the ground is out of the question.

Most of us here are pretty tired of being involved in foreign wars after decades of it with nary a thing to show for all that needless loss of life. I sense no appetite for direct military involvement on our part and am not interested in that myself.

However, most Americans were in favor of steps like cutting off oil purchases from Russia even before this invasion, even if it means we have to pay higher prices for gasoline, for example. The fact is that most people here would really like nothing further to do with Moscow, period -- no talks, no trade, no nothing, treat them like North Korea -- and personally I'm with them.

I’m surprised the US imports much oil from Russia (but then, I think it also imports oil from Venezuela) as I thought they were mostly self-reliant.

I would be even more surprised in the aftermath of the Russia invasion if they wasn’t a large political push, including from Democrats , to boost oil and gas production to supplant Russia as a major energy supplier to Europe, as this is the key bit hobbling sanctions at present. Germany in particular is massively reliant on Russian gas.

Environmentalists (including myself) might prefer to see a push towards renewables but realistically that isn’t happening in the short-term.