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Should down votes be removed?

YES!!! 22 27.16%
 
NO!!! 45 55.56%
 
Keep it but stop comments from being removed 14 17.28%
 
Total:81

Regarding Forum Likes, I think it enables people who normally wouldn't want to respond just to say they agree with something, to show their appreciation for what someone said.
But at the same time it may decentivize someone from posting a response, when they normally would, since they can just click 'Like'.


Though I believe the main issue is that it is much easier to get support for negativity and toxicity on the internet. And especially when it is anonymous.
If a long, well constructed positive post gets a couple of likes (partially because some people don't have the time to read through it all), a reply that simply says "F*** off, you fanboy", will get 7x the amount of likes.

People know this. And a few are seemingly designing their replies with this in mind.

If forum likes were no longer anonymous, that should at least eliminate that problem.
But I don't know if something like that is even up for consideration right now, since I don't think Talon is available.

Last edited by Hiku - on 27 December 2021

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CGI-Quality said:

Not that anything is final, but things will most likely end up like this…..

Upvoting article comments will remain (perks included). Forum Likes and article extra power (perk) downvoting will be axed. I’ve read/heard plenty of the issues, talked with the mod team and several admins and it is looking like the best course of action.

So you guys(dont know who was the one with this idea or the one to implement it)  sold these perks to people , made the money and now you want to back down and take it from people who paid for this.

This shit is smelling a little bad now.

Who was the one who invented these in the first place.

Who is the one getting the money.

Why is the moderation team making these decisions. Moderation team here is administrating the site too?

Will you refund the money for the people who paid for this thing ?

Edited : HOLY FUCK only now i read the stuff about the perks , i hope you ready to refund the people who paid for these things  70 dolars for a year. The one who paid for my gold badge ? Bro i hope you get your money back.

Last edited by ClassicGamingWizzz - on 27 December 2021

 

What about just stopping the hiding of comments for a while to see what that does? This idea seems to have a lot of support, in this thread at least. Frankly, other than a bit of a bruised ego (which really shouldn't be a problem for the vast majority of participants here that seem to be grown adults), the only negative that comes from down votes is making it harder to see the comments. So if you take that away, a good chunk of the problem is solved right there. Also, it probably removes some of the motivation to downvote stuff, which addresses the other part of the problem..

I feel like this would be a relatively easy, painless, and appropriate response. See what happens with that, and do something more if it seems necessary after a month or two.



As a comment gets more likes vs dislikes, it rises in the list, correct?

Just like too many dislikes vs likes and it goes down and potentially get's hidden?

Why not have the list always be made top down by first come first serve?

Not only does that force people to read through more than just the top few to get a proper feel, but it's easy enough to see the likes vs dislikes. 

That way you can leave both like and dislike alone, and refrain from hiding.

I don't see the point in overly propping something up or hiding it, other than maybe to reduce a really long string of comments here and there.



Ryuu96 said:
Machina said:

I've gradually come to agree with paragraphs 1, 2, and 4.

I disagree with 3, partly for the reason you gave and also because I don't want to remove even more perks. Besides, if downvotes were removed then I don't think it'd be such a big deal, Supporters having extra *positive* voting power.

My issue is that I think it creates a broken and uneven system, I don't believe anyone should have extra voting power simply because they paid some money, it sorta says that their voice matters more and it causes an inaccurate representation of the VGChartz community when they have that much voting power.

But I do understand it's likely a enticing perk which causes sign ups and I don't want to hurt the Staffs pay, so I would be willing to accept extra upvoting power, cause at least that leans towards a positive direction which VGChartz could do with, Lol. What do you think about Zero's suggestion which is essentially that but a limited amount of extra upvotes per week depending on the tier?

Also I think we can all agree that hiding comments should be removed, for the reasons mentioned in this thread and simply because it's a bit tedious, Lol. Wasn't the original reason for hiding comments mainly due to hiding spambots until a mod dealt with them anyway? Nowadays we barely have any spambots.

derpysquirtle64 said:

I have to kinda disagree on this one. If someone has nothing to say except for basic "Yeah, I agree", then it won't hurt discussion in any way. The simple post of "Yeah, I agree" doesn't really add to discussion much. So, having an upvote button is nice because it helps to keep the threads clean from such basic posts. And if someone wants to go in detail, then nothing really prevents them to quote and post detailed opinion in addition to upvoting the post

Maybe, I do agree it keeps threads clean of those useless posts but there have been times where I've thought about replying in detail to a comment and instead decided to just slap a like on it cause it's easier/lazier, I even almost did it in this thread, Lol, so I'm just curious if others do the same, does it lean more towards stopping basic "I agree" or does it lean more towards stopping "I agree, for..." posts.

But not really an issue right now I would say.

Well, people having money and having more voting power is like broken Governments,much like the US. So no surprise it's made it to small scale like these forums. It's complete horseshit but the world is corrupt.



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VAMatt said:
CGI-Quality said:

Not that anything is final, but things will most likely end up like this…..

Upvoting article comments will remain (perks included). Forum Likes and article extra power (perk) downvoting will be axed. I’ve read/heard plenty of the issues, talked with the mod team and several admins and it is looking like the best course of action.

Speaking as a "supporter", I'd say that removing perks should not be done without a lot of notice.  If you sell people on 2x, 3x, 4x voting power, you gotta give them that.  If you want to do away with it, maybe take it off the list of perks but keep it active for a year so that nobody that bought in gets the stuff they paid for removed in the middle of their subscription.

Also, how does it make sense to give 2/3/4x upvote ability, but not with downvotes?  Off the top of my head, I'd say remove both or neither. 

In the interest of full disclosure, I do make use of my 3x voting power both up and down.  I didn't use the downvote option very much until recently, but I definitely have increased my use of the feature in recent months.  I think that's mostly because it just feels like the way things are moving, so I've gone along for the ride.  It is almost like I feel like I have to do it, otherwise things are out of balance. Of course, I recognize that if I'm doing it, others probably are too, and that this puts us in a downward spiral.  Hopefully, I'm not a terrible abuser of the system.  I don't feel like I am.  

As I mentioned in a previous comment, I don't support changes *at this moment*, but I do understand that things are getting weird.  How about starting with a pinned post along the lines of "Stop weaponizing downvotes".

I do agree that notice should be given, I have thought about this and think some sort of rolling removal would be best, so if you have supporter for 3 months, you'll lose the perk in 3 months, if you have it for a year, you'll lose it in a year? Though I don't know if supporter can be stacked, if it can then I would just go with a long notice for everyone, lol.

I also would agree with removing both but the poll is too split, so I think it's a fine middle-ground to disallow the perks usage for downvotes.

Imo, I'm sure you aren't a terrible abuser of the system but I think whether someone is intentionally abusing it or not isn't really important, it's still a broken system which causes an uneven representation of things, no matter how an individual uses it, Imo it is wrong for users to have extra voting power, nobodies voice should matter more.

Plus with how small VGChartz is lately, a x4 voting power alone can have a big influence. I'm also a bit suspicious of some of those no posts supporter accounts, lol.

I'm not sure a pinned post will do anything, upvotes/downvotes are anonymous, not like we can stop someone from downvoting either. Maybe making downvotes/upvotes not anonymous in the article section will ease things a little?

VAMatt said:

Frankly, other than a bit of a bruised ego (which really shouldn't be a problem for the vast majority of participants here that seem to be grown adults), the only negative that comes from down votes is making it harder to see the comments.

I'd disagree here, I have seen users say that they've stopped posting in articles due to the downvoting situation, I think it also creates a negative atmosphere which is the least thing that VGChartz needs right now, I don't want to discourage users from posting, okay, maybe if they make garbage comments then sure, but I've seen a lot of harmless comments in the negatives lately for some reason.

And at the end of the day, as long as it isn't breaking a rule, it is allowed, no matter what peoples opinions are on if it's a crap opinion. I also feel like why do we have the distinction of downvotes in articles but not in forums too? Nobody can give me an answer to that so far

ClassicGamingWizzz said:
CGI-Quality said:

Not that anything is final, but things will most likely end up like this…..

Upvoting article comments will remain (perks included). Forum Likes and article extra power (perk) downvoting will be axed. I’ve read/heard plenty of the issues, talked with the mod team and several admins and it is looking like the best course of action.

So you guys (don't know who was the one with this idea or the one to implement it) sold these perks to people, made the money and now you want to back down and take it from people who paid for this.

This shit is smelling a little bad now.

Who was the one who invented these in the first place.

Who is the one getting the money.

Why is the moderation team making these decisions. Moderation team here is administrating the site too?

Will you refund the money for the people who paid for this thing ?

Edited : HOLY FUCK only now i read the stuff about the perks , i hope you ready to refund the people who paid for these things  70 dolars for a year. The one who paid for my gold badge ? Bro i hope you get your money back.

Did anyone buy Supporter for the sole purpose of the voting power?

Stuff is removed from Sub services all the time, that's life.

Admin and Writing team receive the money (not Ioi or Mods).

Moderation team isn't making the decisions, CGI discussed it with the Staff after users have commented on the situation here (and elsewhere).

This isn't a official Staff position but it is my opinion that they don't have to refund anyone, as long as everyone is given enough notice.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 28 December 2021

My posts dont need upvotes to be funny, but i like knowing who my simps are

Edit: also league admins dont get shit outside vg$ made on predictions we're fine with that



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ClassicGamingWizzz said:
CGI-Quality said:

Not that anything is final, but things will most likely end up like this…..

Upvoting article comments will remain (perks included). Forum Likes and article extra power (perk) downvoting will be axed. I’ve read/heard plenty of the issues, talked with the mod team and several admins and it is looking like the best course of action.

So you guys(dont know who was the one with this idea or the one to implement it)  sold these perks to people , made the money and now you want to back down and take it from people who paid for this.

This shit is smelling a little bad now.

Who was the one who invented these in the first place.

Who is the one getting the money.

Why is the moderation team making these decisions. Moderation team here is administrating the site too?

Will you refund the money for the people who paid for this thing ?

Edited : HOLY FUCK only now i read the stuff about the perks , i hope you ready to refund the people who paid for these things  70 dolars for a year. The one who paid for my gold badge ? Bro i hope you get your money back.

Why would they refund them or need to?. They can still allow people to have double up vote power. So unless someone is a sucky user who only got their supporter status to use double down votes i dont see what the problem is.

Like Ryuu said things get removed from subscription services all the time and im sure they can find another perk to replace taking away the down votes.

I guess your one of the ones who use your supporter status to down vote everything but its fine you will still have your double up vote power so now you can think about what your using them on instead of just reading someones name and clicking down vote.

Also im all for showing the names of people who up vote or down vote things being shown as it can show who is abusing the system for the sake of just having the money to do so.



My stance is if it doesn’t work for the good of the site, it should either be re-evaluated or shouldn’t happen. Of course, no matter what changes are made, someone won’t agree, but 2/3/4x upvotes have nowhere near the negative connotations as the downvotes. It’s worth a shot, even if on a trial basis.

Also, please don’t attack each other in regards to views on this. Right now, the discussion is real-time among staff members. We haven’t made any absolute changes yet and are listening to everyone’s POV.



                                                                                                                                                           

Downvotes suck. Especially on mobile there's always an ad blocking the button to see the hidden comments so for a lot of articles I can't even view the downvoted comment since I mostly use VGC on my phone.