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Should down votes be removed?

YES!!! 22 27.16%
 
NO!!! 45 55.56%
 
Keep it but stop comments from being removed 14 17.28%
 
Total:81
Bandorr said:

If you don't want your comments hidden - don't say shitty things. It isn't a hard concept. This also applies to being banned.

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SvennoJ said:

Let's be trendsetters and put a 0-10 score rating on comments. Then we can add Metacomment to determine the best comments of the year and calculate aggregate scores to add below people's names next to post count!

What's this reversing trend to remove down votes on you tube and articles, take it all the way I say. Let's make Black Mirror proud!

Youtube needs to keep the down vote button they have millions of users so it levels out. Here we have a few and then you include the supporter program giving people multi down votes and it makes the system just not work as its meant to. Then you have people following others around thanks to console warz or they just dont like them over something that might of been said before and that breaks the system even more.

If anything Hiding the comments with down votes (Even if you can still click the plus thing to get them back) is more like youtube removing the down votes then if VGC removed the down votes.

People will still have the up votes and the ones who are supporters can still have their multi up votes, it would just be limited making their up votes worth even more to them.



All you have to do is look at Reddit, which is worthless for actual discussions. People with dissenting opinions often don't bother leaving a comment. It creates an environment of exclusion by providing a negative stimulus for anyone not in the majority. Worse--as we've already seen in this thread--it establishes the thought process of "if it was downvoted then it must have been wrong," which is kind of frightening. No, I don't expect this site to brainwash people the way Reddit does, but it's still icky. The online experience has become all about reinforcing the hivemind mentality and driving away or censoring anyone who diverges from the herd.

At the very least, there is no need to hide the button that reveals downvoted comments.



Ryuu96 said:

Technically downvotes don't remove a comment, they hide it, if you hover over the comment you should see a little + symbol to the side which you click to expand the comment again and so you can see it.

Having said that, I'm in favour of their removal, I think it hurts discussion, I think it will discourage users from posting and I'm fairly confident in believing that folk use them simply for console war reasons or use them against users they dislike without bothering to read the comment, I also hate having to constantly click expand to see the comments.

And I don't like the Supporter perk which gives extra voting power, it causes an inaccurate representation of the community when a few users could have like 10x voting power between them, especially when the site is as small as it is right now, at minimum I think the perk needs to be removed but I feel for the Staff because it's a perk to encourage signups for their pay as they get sh*t from Ioi.

Honestly I think I could be convinced to support removing upvotes from threads too, I do wonder if they also hurt discussion, no need to put any thought into a reply or be like "yeah, I agree, for these reasons" when you can just click "like"

I've gradually come to agree with paragraphs 1, 2, and 4.

I disagree with 3, partly for the reason you gave and also because I don't want to remove even more perks. Besides, if downvotes were removed then I don't think it'd be such a big deal, Supporters having extra *positive* voting power.

pokoko said:

All you have to do is look at Reddit, which is worthless for actual discussions. People with dissenting opinions often don't bother leaving a comment. It creates an environment of exclusion by providing a negative stimulus for anyone not in the majority. Worse--as we've already seen in this thread--it establishes the thought process of "if it was downvoted then it must have been wrong," which is kind of frightening. No, I don't expect this site to brainwash people the way Reddit does, but it's still icky. The online experience has become all about reinforcing the hivemind mentality and driving away or censoring anyone who diverges from the herd.

At the very least, there is no need to hide the button that reveals downvoted comments.

That's true enough about Reddit. I don't even care about the karma system, but I often don't post my thoughts on an issue in subreddits I use (especially the Diablo one lately), if I know it's going to be downvoted to oblivion and get a bunch of hate comments. 



I'm OK with the up/down vote system, but the fact that you can pay for multivote power, pay to have your opinion matter more than someone else's, is extremely annoying and needs to go imo. I get that multivote power is likely responsible for the majority of the supporter subs and supporter revenue, but surely we must be able to come up with some new supporter perks that are actually fair for all users, free and paid.

Last edited by shikamaru317 - on 27 December 2021

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Bandorr said:

If you don't want your comments hidden - don't say shitty things. It isn't a hard concept. This also applies to being banned.

I'd like to think my comments are reasonable 99% of the time (or at least I aim to post reasonable comments), but my comments get downvoted much, much more than 1% of the time. Most of the time, I'm either completely baffled as to why my comment got downvoted or I know it's because some people don't like my opinion (which I usually try to present in a reasonable and in a relatively well-argumented manner). At the very least I know I don't 'say shitty things'. Personally I find downvotes on comments both annoying and very discouraging.

In case it wasn't clear, I strongly oppose having downvotes on comments, and I think they should be removed altogether. I like them in theory but practice has shown they simply don't work.



I vote YAY, but only because the system appears to be broken. If they want to try to filter out truly troublesome comments, let the moderation team take care of it. That way you remove bias from the equation, and real discourse (or as close to real discourse as possible) can actually take place.



Yeah and YouTube removed dislikes. No don't censor how people feel. Remove the part where people are silenced. If something is truly offensive then just report it. Don't hide it.



Bite my shiny metal cockpit!

I’ll have a full write up on this later, but as of now, perks will (and should) remain, but I’m down to visit how voting happens in general (particularly in-thread).



                                                                                                                                                           

Ryuu96 said:
zero129 said:

Can agree 100% with the removal of double votes, and i never knew you could see the comments once they where hided. But i think the up votes can be good for a reason as they would make the top comments go to the top but i still think the down votes dont work as like you say some users follow others around and just down vote for the sake of it and then it becomes a pile on even if the comment is valid and fine.

To clarify, I'm not saying to remove upvotes from articles.

But I do wonder if upvotes in threads specifically are hurting discussions, there's an argument to be said that they remove the useless "agreed" posts but I also imagine they discourage posts of "I agree, for these reasons" when you can just slap an upvote to the comment and move on.

And I say this as someone who receives a lot of upvotes, Lol. Don't get me wrong, I do appreciate them but it also sometimes makes me wonder from time to time if they hurt discussion.

I have to kinda disagree on this one. If someone has nothing to say except for basic "Yeah, I agree", then it won't hurt discussion in any way. The simple post of "Yeah, I agree" doesn't really add to discussion much. So, having an upvote button is nice because it helps to keep the threads clean from such basic posts. And if someone wants to go in detail, then nothing really prevents them to quote and post detailed opinion in addition to upvoting the post