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I would only say Resurrections is bad, if looking at it from the perspective of the Matrix universe itself. If you look at it from real life and the deeper messaging in the films, then it's actually pretty decent.

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The OP is correct, if all you care about is the Matrix universe itself.

If you care about the deeper meaning behind the films, it's definitely worth the watch.

Resurrections is way, way, more blatant about the underlying messages in the movies ties to our reality.

It does not have the same feel and style as the OG trilogy. It doesn't have the same high level of action and fight scenes. It does however go deeper, in a clearer manner, into the underlying message of the movies.

Passing on it, is taking the blue pill.

Watching it, is taking the red pill.

The Matrix is one of my fav movies of all time. The OG trilogy is up there as well, though the second and third aren't nearly as good. 

After my first viewing just now, I actually kinda liked Resurrections. I certainly don't agree it's bad, but it is different.



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So I'll go see dune again instead then.



It was OK. I liked it better than Dune, that put me to sleep. I think it's on par with Reloaded and Revolutions at least. 

It is high concept, but it's the most interesting Matrix since the original.

The problem with the Matrix franchise is the original movie is too good, it's still probably the best Hollywood blockbuster of the last 25 years (yes, sit down and shut up MCU fanatics). But when you peak that high and make an almost perfect film right off the bat that more or less tells a fully contained story you're going to be in tough.

Ghostbusters Afterlife is a "success" btw, it has more than doubled its production budget making it profitable and Sony already gave Jason Reitman the director the green light to do more Ghostbusters movies, so mission accomplished there. The point is to choose your budget wisely. 



Now I want to watch it! It has been so long since I watched the original so I wonder what it'll be like to watch this latest one before rewatching the original.



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KLAMarine said:

Now I want to watch it! It has been so long since I watched the original so I wonder what it'll be like to watch this latest one before rewatching the original.

You probably need to watch Reloaded/Revolutions as well before this one or you probably won't understand what's going on.

Revolutions at least anyway. 

This movie is actually not that complex, it's more of a straight forward continuation from the 3rd movie, we're clearly shown there that the Matrix has rebooted itself and a new version of the Matrix is beginning (and we know that there have been several different versions before). 

So this movie basically just shows you that new version of the Matrix and well Neo is plugged back into it by the machines (don't think this is a spoiler since it's obvious from the trailers).

To me it's actually kind of clever what the machines do to Neo (his new life), but some people are gonna lost their shit over that because it's a little too self referential and out there of an idea. 

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shikamaru317 said:

Just about everybody I know who saw it didn't like it, a couple of them even said it is the worst movie they have ever seen, worse even than The Last Jedi, though others said it is decent at least, unlike The Last Jedi which is actively offensive to the classic fanbase.

I'm kind of glad it is flopping at the box office (losing to both Spider-Man and Sing 2), hopefully means they won't make a 5th one that further damages the legacy of the original trilogy.

This is stupid, there's nothing in the Matrix Resurrections that undoes or really even undermines anything from the previous Matrix movies. 

The Last Jedi was controversial because it radically altered the character of Luke Skywalker primarily and then

Spoiler!
killed off Snoke and gave an answer to Rey's parentage that people weren't expecting. 

Resurrections is not really controversial in that way. Neo is still Neo he needs time to get his mojo back, Trinity is still Trinity. 

There's even a literal scene in the movie here Neo is reminded that everything he did in the first 3 movies had a massive impact. 

Instead of watching like the 800th Marvel movie, I mean watch it and make your own opinion. Is it going to be as good as the first Matrix? No way, but no blockbuster movie post 1999 is, LOTR trilogy and Mad Max maybe come closest. It's about on par with Reloaded and Revolutions, I would say I like this one better even if the action is not as good, the ideas are more interesting. But yes it is meta-aware as fuck, but I think that works and even makes sense in the Matrix. 

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Me and my litlebrother are big fans.. we saw it yesterday (not together) And We like it alot..
Its (for us) insane that they came up with that story.. totally not what we expected.. a true master piece.
It's not a movie for actionfans.. offcourse it have action.. but today disney has much better computers and money to do that.. Its a movie for the intellectual.. a movie for the ones that think we are living in a world that have us all on a lock.. no freedom.. It's art mixed with reality mixed with "the Matrix idea"

This is only offfcourse only IMO... but just like I dident understand how anybody could like Starwars 7-9.. I don't understand why this movei gets so much hate..? Are all become programs?



shikamaru317 said:
Soundwave said:

This is stupid, there's nothing in the Matrix Resurrections that undoes or really even undermines anything from the previous Matrix movies. 

The Last Jedi was controversial because it radically altered the character of Luke Skywalker primarily and then killed off Snoke and gave an answer to Rey's parentage that people weren't expecting. 

Resurrections is not really controversial in that way. Neo is still Neo he needs time to get his mojo back, Trinity is still Trinity. 

There's even a literal scene in the movie here Neo is reminded that everything he did in the first 3 movies had a massive impact. 

Instead of watching like the 800th Marvel movie, I mean watch it and make your own opinion. Is it going to be as good as the first Matrix? No way, but no blockbuster movie post 1999 is, LOTR trilogy and Mad Max maybe come closest. It's about on par with Reloaded and Revolutions, I would say I like this one better even if the action is not as good, the ideas are more interesting. But yes it is meta-aware as fuck, but I think that works and even makes sense in the Matrix. 

Dunno, haven't seen it myself, just reporting what others who have seen it have told me, some of them really hated it, while others merely disliked it. None of my friends or Twitter follows seem to have liked it. I'll probably rent it at Redbox eventually just to see if it is as bad as others have told me it is. 

If you liked Reloaded and Revolutions, this about on par with those. 

It is meta in a big way though, think Wes Craven's New Nightmare or even Scream IV ... both of which I think are good movies actually. 

The action is not as good as the previous films, clearly the lead actors are a lot older now and it's not really the main emphasis of the story. This story is more about recapturing the "mind fuckery" of the first Matrix movie (where you don't know or don't fully trust what is real, what isn't, this movie goes even further with that though). 

But if you are an actual fan of the Matrix lore, that who stuff about "it totally shits on the old films" ... uh fuck no. It's very much a continuation from the last scene in the Matrix Revolutions, it basically does answer all the questions at the end of Revolutions' last scene. You will see what happened after Revolutions, how things have changed, etc. etc. 

It isn't one of those sequels or "reboots" that goes "well the previous movies didn't happen or don't count so just forget that". 



shikamaru317 said:
Soundwave said:

If you liked Reloaded and Revolutions, this about on par with those. 

It is meta in a big way though, think Wes Craven's New Nightmare or even Scream IV ... both of which I think are good movies actually. 

The action is not as good as the previous films, clearly the lead actors are a lot older now and it's not really the main emphasis of the story. This story is more about recapturing the "mind fuckery" of the first Matrix movie (where you don't know or don't fully trust what is real, what isn't, this movie goes even further with that though). 

But if you are an actual fan of the Matrix lore, that who stuff about "it totally shits on the old films" ... uh fuck no. It's very much a continuation from the last scene in the Matrix Revolutions, it basically does answer all the questions at the end of Revolutions' last scene. You will see what happened after Revolutions, how things have changed, etc. etc. 

It isn't one of those sequels or "reboots" that goes "well the previous movies didn't happen or don't count so just forget that". 

I liked the first movie, 2 and 3 were a bit hit and miss, I enjoyed the action sequences in them but the story was a bit of a mess. Action is probably my favorite thing in Matrix though, so the action on Resurrections being a downgrade is a bit of a turnoff, and I was also a bit turned off by the Morpheus recasting due to the Wachowski's deciding to make his controversial Matrix Online death canon. Those plus the largely negative reviews I have seen are enough to wait on a rental probably.

I can just tell you the basic premise of Resurrections if you want to be spoiled, either you can accept his idea or you can't:

Spoiler!

After the events of Revolutions (Matrix 3), Neo and Trinity's bodies are re-inserted into the new version of the Matrix that we see at the end of Matrix 3. However to keep Neo/Anderson pacified and docile he's given the life of a game programmer who has made a trilogy of games called The Matrix. So yes, "The Matrix" movies as a popular story actually exist in this version of the Matrix and Anderson is told that everything that he may remember from happened before is not real. 

Now of course eventually he breaks free of this control, and from there on the movie is more or less just a sequel to Matrix 1/2/3, we see there are changes on the human side and some on the machine side, but nothing that really hasn't been foreshadowed.