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EricHiggin said:
twintail said:

The article writes that BC is part of the highest tier, which is where I imagine it would go. If ppl really want it, they'll pay premium for it. 

Well I figured since MS is offering BC completely free, $99 wouldn't be bad, and it's not like SNY has to put all BC games on there asap. 

The $99 level could be streaming only. In the $149 level you could add native/emulated BC. Again, not necessarily all BC games at launch.

SNY could just add more BC games as time goes on, or cycle through them over time.

Well, its not free. Just not tied to a subscription, but I get where you're coming from.

That said, streaming would be the premium piece here allowing ppl to play where ever and on whatever they wish.

Alby_da_Wolf said:

Not selling portables anymore, Sony could add as a distinctive bonus feature Android and iOS support for any PSP and PSV game, but also a selection of PSOne, PS2, PS3 and PS4 ones that could be ported and made playable with enjoyable gameplay on them. Just copying MS Game Pass model could damage some high budget SP 1st party games revenue, Sony needs ways to make up for it, and supporting MS strongest competitors in the OS market could be a cunning way.

if these games end up being streamed, then you could get everything off your phone.

I don't see the incentive of psp/ vita games on phones as a feature.



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So who didnt see this coming?.
I also have to laugh at some of the reply's in this thread from some of the very same people who didnt think this would happen or want this now saying how its going to be bigger then Gamepass thanks to PS+ subs without taking into account how PS+ is going to still be its own service..
Question is how many people are going to pay the extra to play "Old" games that they most likely already own or will be cheaper to pick up on sale 2nd hand??.
Guess what the next step is? Sony fans begging Sony to put first party games on this service day and date to compete with MS when they notice that this isnt doing gamepass numbers so cant brag about it just like they cant atm with PSNow.



EricHiggin said:

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Ah shit, here we go again



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It will be interesting to see what price Sony thinks is sustainable. But other than that, not interested.

There's a small chance it will mean a price drop for base ps+, maybe with less or no games. I already buy that on sale and hardly ever touch the ps+ games so a cheaper online plan would be nice. (Or back to free would be even better)



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zero129 said:

So who didnt see this coming?.
I also have to laugh at some of the reply's in this thread from some of the very same people who didnt think this would happen or want this now saying how its going to be bigger then Gamepass thanks to PS+ subs without taking into account how PS+ is going to still be its own service..
Question is how many people are going to pay the extra to play "Old" games that they most likely already own or will be cheaper to pick up on sale 2nd hand??.
Guess what the next step is? Sony fans begging Sony to put first party games on this service day and date to compete with MS when they notice that this isnt doing gamepass numbers so cant brag about it just like they cant atm with PSNow.

I didn't see it coming this quickly, if it really is. Some thought it would never happen, others like myself, figured later than sooner. The big reasons still stand however, at least based on the leak, that things like day 1 exclusives wouldn't be necessary for a PS GP.

The leak seems to imply that SNY will offer something closer to GP, without offering the exact same type of service. Maybe that means more than PS Now but less overall than GP, or perhaps match GP in content though with different types of offerings instead.

I myself wouldn't use this service otherwise, except that I'd guess that Plus is going to get baked into it. As long a there is either a cheaper online only option, or that Plus remains mostly unchanged as is, then I couldn't care less if it's part of the service or separate.

I also don't really think, based on what little is known, that this new PS service would immediately topple GP. If Plus get's baked into it, then it sure will seem like the new service has better numbers through the transfer. Though would that cause MS to then tie Live and it's numbers into GP as well?

I don't think that many overall will pay for BC, which is why I initially thought the mid tier approach, which would tie into Plus right now, would make sense. It would be a nice extra. Though if SNY adds it to the top tier, then those who want it can pay for it. Right now SNY is getting away without BC, so why give it away for free? I can see why SNY would go either route.

I myself threw out the idea of day 1 exclusive new IP in the top tier, simply because that way SNY could get away with offering day 1 exclusives, which happen from time to time, without offering the known heavy hitters. This could also help the launch of new IP for those who aren't as willing to pay $70 to try a new title. It would also help to keep the cost of the top tier service down.

It wouldn't surprise me if SNY goes with a $150 top tier service. That way they can land right in between the GP offerings of $120 and $180, and don't have to quite match what GP Ultimate offers overall. At least until they found out whether it was worth it or not to add a higher exclusives tier for $200 or $250.



twintail said:
EricHiggin said:

Well I figured since MS is offering BC completely free, $99 wouldn't be bad, and it's not like SNY has to put all BC games on there asap. 

The $99 level could be streaming only. In the $149 level you could add native/emulated BC. Again, not necessarily all BC games at launch.

SNY could just add more BC games as time goes on, or cycle through them over time.

Well, its not free. Just not tied to a subscription, but I get where you're coming from.

That said, streaming would be the premium piece here allowing ppl to play where ever and on whatever they wish.

Ya that's the thing. Locking it down to the service would get some push back (dunno how much exactly), even from some XB fans.

Depends on if BC will be done entirely through streaming or not. I'd assume PS3 games will still be streaming only, so that would mean top tier.

SNY could have BC as a totally separate option where anyone can buy PS1, PS2, and PSP, BC games for cheap and emulate them on PS4 and PS5.

My second take on it here makes more sense if this were to be the case.

$29 - PS Pass - (basic online gaming access for all games)

$69 - PS Pass Plus - (PS Plus as it exists with it's online access, free games, and discounts)

$149 - PS Pass Premium - (PS Plus, PS Now, day 1 exclusive new IP, all BC games available, previews and early access, VIP discounts)

I know SNY offering a lower tier than $60 Plus right now seems unlikely, but that very well may be offset by a PS Pass Plus and Premium.

Anyone with PS4 or PS5 could still pay to download and play PS1, PS2, and PSP games this way. Premium get's you all that and PS3 streaming.

Day 1 exclusive new IP would be perfect for SNY marketing to be able to say they're offering exclusives on the service without putting the known heavy hitters on there. They would also get the benefit of more early exposure to new IP without having to rely on a $70 gamble as some see it.

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If it makes the games universal (Being on PC) i am all for it. MS did it and got great awards for it and if Sony do it, they will to.



EricHiggin said:
twintail said:

Well, its not free. Just not tied to a subscription, but I get where you're coming from.

That said, streaming would be the premium piece here allowing ppl to play where ever and on whatever they wish.

Ya that's the thing. Locking it down to the service would get some push back (dunno how much exactly), even from some XB fans.

Depends on if BC will be done entirely through streaming or not. I'd assume PS3 games will still be streaming only, so that would mean top tier.

SNY could have BC as a totally separate option where anyone can buy PS1, PS2, and PSP, BC games for cheap and emulate them on PS4 and PS5.

My second take on it here makes more sense if this were to be the case.

$29 - PS Pass - (basic online gaming access for all games)

$69 - PS Pass Plus - (PS Plus as it exists with it's online access, free games, and discounts)

$149 - PS Pass Premium - (PS Plus, PS Now, day 1 exclusive new IP, all BC games available, previews and early access, VIP discounts)

I know SNY offering a lower tier than $60 Plus right now seems unlikely, but that very well may be offset by a PS Pass Plus and Premium.

Anyone with PS4 or PS5 could still pay to download and play PS1, PS2, and PSP games this way. Premium get's you all that and PS3 streaming.

Day 1 exclusive new IP would be perfect for SNY marketing to be able to say they're offering exclusives on the service without putting the known heavy hitters on there. They would also get the benefit of more early exposure to new IP without having to rely on a $70 gamble as some see it.

Sure, there's definitely a lot of ways Sony could go about some of these supposed features, like BC. If Sony can offer native/ emulated versions (that could be separately bought) that would be ideal. I just personally see this as being more effort than it's worth. But if Sony can pull it off, then great.

In this regard, I do think that Sony needs to be all-in with their own titles. Of course not every game can be brought forward (like the GT series), but Sony needs to really push to have any many titles as possible. 

On another note, I'm not sure if Sony would offer a lower priced tier to this service. Like, I get why it seems like a good idea but if ppl aren't paying the current price (or even the discounted price of $39) for online, I'm not sure why they would for $29. Maybe a market exists, but a lower priced tier sounds like it's for ppl who want to downgrade more so than getting new users on board. And if that is the case, how many from the former are dropping PS+ entirely? Subscribers fluctuate per quarter, but they remain mostly constant.

That said, there's definitely a lot of routes Sony can go with this. After all, they've already experimented with PS Video in Poland, the PS Collection offering a bunch of titles for PS5 users to play, day 1 indie releases, the odd expansion of PS Now as a service. It seems to me that they've been scaffolding their efforts to a more complete subscription service. Let's not forget that PSN is their main revenue and profit driver, so they'd naturally work on bettering the service as a whole to continue strengthening it as a means to make money. 

I look forward to seeing what they have to offer, to see if the benefits and pricing are worthwhile. As much as I think having something similar to GamePass (clearly not the same) would be ideal, I may just stick with PS+ normal for the foreseeable future. 



twintail said:
EricHiggin said:

Well I figured since MS is offering BC completely free, $99 wouldn't be bad, and it's not like SNY has to put all BC games on there asap. 

The $99 level could be streaming only. In the $149 level you could add native/emulated BC. Again, not necessarily all BC games at launch.

SNY could just add more BC games as time goes on, or cycle through them over time.

Well, its not free. Just not tied to a subscription, but I get where you're coming from.

That said, streaming would be the premium piece here allowing ppl to play where ever and on whatever they wish.

Alby_da_Wolf said:

Not selling portables anymore, Sony could add as a distinctive bonus feature Android and iOS support for any PSP and PSV game, but also a selection of PSOne, PS2, PS3 and PS4 ones that could be ported and made playable with enjoyable gameplay on them. Just copying MS Game Pass model could damage some high budget SP 1st party games revenue, Sony needs ways to make up for it, and supporting MS strongest competitors in the OS market could be a cunning way.

if these games end up being streamed, then you could get everything off your phone.

I don't see the incentive of psp/ vita games on phones as a feature.

Game streaming can become low latency enough early enough on home fibre connections, but on phones? With console quality games? I seriously doubt that.

PSP offers quite a large selection of games that are good candidates for phone/tablet ports, PSV ones could be a bonus addition. We can obvioulsy rule out PS5 ports to mobiles, the latter won't have enough computing power for some more years, but older home consoles are at reach of recent mobiles running true ports of them.
I don't rule out streaming, but I can see current limits to its widespread adoption. Don't think mobile game streaming could already be easy just because movie streaming already is, movies have far lower requirements on latency and buffering can efficiently cover hiccups in the transmission, but gaming must be real time and interactive, you can't downolad more data in advance to mask small transmission problems.



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